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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>+1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4A4949'>Stephen Carter</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Brown <Nick.Brown@vocus.com.au>; 'ausnog@lists.ausnog.net' <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW CRM:000084250<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your spot on Nick. This is becoming daily explain for me now. It devalues our offerings quite a bit. Still I remember people saying while would i need more then 56k what's the use of ADSL<br><br>Matt.<br><br><br> On 30/10/2015 1:18 PM, Nick Brown wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s not just limited to building managers, NBN is quickly becoming synonymous with fibre to the average punter. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My accountant was recently telling me how it was unfair that the office next door to his had just received FTTP and how he was preparing to complain to NBN, before I pointed out that it was our network…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#999999'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>Nick Brown</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'> | Carrier Relations</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>M</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: +61 4 3203 8015 </span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>D</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: +61 2 4910 1015 </span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>E</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: <a href="mailto:%20nick.brown@vocus.com.au" title="Cmd+Click
or tap to follow the link"><span style='color:#A0A2A4'>nick.brown@vocus.com.au</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>P</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: 1300 88 99 88 or +61 2 8999 8999 </span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>W</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: <a href="http://www.vocus.com.au"><span style='color:#A0A2A4'>vocus.com.au</span></a> <br></span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0069AA'>A</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#A0A2A4'>: Vocus House, Level 1, 189 Miller Street, North Sydney, NSW 2060, Australia<br> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW CRM:000084250</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hay Skeeve,<br> Is there a chance your building manager Said NBN but means TPG. Our building manager was saying NBN to me when FirstPath (Hi Stephen) was installing and then he said NBN to me again when TPG started installing. I have found that Building managers seem to use the word NBN for anything that is fast broadband. Doesn't help that people like TPG's documentation says "NBN Style super fast broadband on it" . TPG tries to use a bit of smoke and mirrors to so there will be less push back from building managers and owners corps that are clueless. (who can blame them)<br><br><br>Just a thought. <br><br>Matt.<br><br><br><br><br>On 30/10/2015 12:57 PM, Stephen Carter (FirstPath) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Happy Friday all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I would agree, we see competitors saying that they are connecting soon but in fact they have no fibre in the street & or short term plans to do so. This practice really just results in OC’s becoming confused & less competition etc. FirstPath generally disregard these statements by other carriers and build regardless to deliver end user service. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As far as the “three addresses” issue is concerned this is common and hard to overcome as different information sources use different addresses: Owners, tenants, Land Titles, Google, Whereis etc … some even have the same buildings in different suburbs and postcodes. I have seen some with 8 or more addresses, if its any comfort it’s equally frustrating for carriers…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4A4949'>Stephen Carter</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>FirstPath</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Thorpe<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 12:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Skeeve,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Aside from direct information from nbn™ which seems to be hard to come by, <a href="http://www.mynbn.info/">http://www.mynbn.info/</a> collates most publicly available information to provide some sense of what activity is happening where.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve noticed a lot of existing developments around Glebe/Ultimo/CBD being classified as “High Value Builds”, likely in response to TPG’s aggressive push to install FTTB wherever it can.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>nbn’s product roadmap (<a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/Integrated-Product-Roadmap.pdf">http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/Integrated-Product-Roadmap.pdf</a>) indicates that they don’t have HFC being part of an official product release until Q2 2016, so you will almost certainly be left with FTTN.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s starting to look like there’s a lot of overbuilding going on to secure these “high value” buildings whereas there are areas that are far down the 3 year plan that currently have nothing.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jonathan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 12:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I'm confused.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I live in a complex in Glebe which big and takes an entire block (over 100 units). We have 3 addresses on 3 sides of the block.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The complex has Telstra Bigpond Cable and it has worked fine for the 2 years we've been here.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I've heard from the building manager that NBN is about to be installed... and should be ready in a couple of weeks.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>*blink* ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Firstly, the new rollout from NBN says Glebe area is 2018, but also says it is HFC.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I assuming they aren't doing FTTH... the internal cabling costs on that in this place would be insane.... so I assume it is HFC upgrades of some kind? I didn't think that NBNCo was actually upgrading anything in the complexes?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Also, does anyone know if there is someone I can talk to at NBN about their rollout addressing... as while 2 of our address sides come up in the NBN lookup tool as coming soon, one of them doesn't... but it is all the same infrastructure.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#20497D'>...Skeeve </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>/* Matt Perkins <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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