<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Ok here’s how it goes.</div><div><br></div><div>1. Carriers can use their carrier powers to ignore cross-connects from DC operators and install all the way to the customer premises. Caveats to this is where the carrier has come to a commercial arrangements with the DC operator which over-rides Schedule 3 rights. Also some DC operators make is a condition of colo that the customer can only accept interconnects from the DC operator. This doesn’t stop the carrier from installing, but it may stop the customer from accepting. There is also some issues for DC operators aiming to restrict customers around “bait and switch” and possibly third line forcing that can come into play from an ACCC perspective, but that’s for another day.</div><div>As a carrier we always leave “nothing in this agreement limits the our Schedule 3 rights” for example. I generally use the DC operators cabling, but this is there in case they go feral and we need to go to war.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Carriers have rights to enter buildings for the delivery of in-building subscriber purposes. Carriers have rights to use risers (not just telecom), MDF rooms, building basements and now even have rights to access power. This could even have a flow on effect to DC operators (interestingly). Some issues around heritage and native title.</div><div>Court Case between NBN Co v PIPE is here: <a href="http://ipblog.tglaw.com.au/case-study-nbn-co-v-pipe-networks-2015-nswsc-475">http://ipblog.tglaw.com.au/case-study-nbn-co-v-pipe-networks-2015-nswsc-475</a></div><div><br></div><div>PIPE v 101 Collins St in which PIPE won - <a href="http://www.claytonutz.com/publications/edition/23_may_2013/20130523/facilities_access_case_sets_precedent_that_could_help_carriers_avoid_costs.page">http://www.claytonutz.com/publications/edition/23_may_2013/20130523/facilities_access_case_sets_precedent_that_could_help_carriers_avoid_costs.page</a></div><div>PIPE won the case BUT the NBN was happy with that decision – because now the NBN can rollout their FttN Nodes in the building MDF at no cost, access their power and point the building owner to this case law as a way to shut down the owner from trying to extort money from them.</div><div><br></div><div>3. If a carrier incorrectly installs a service across a room without either notification or approval <span style="font-weight: bold;">and</span> it is delivering a telecommunications service the building owner does not have the right to interupt that service unilaterally. That is a Federal offence under the Crimes Act.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Notify – order removal (sometimes involves trespass) and if not then go to court. BUT the interference of a telecommunications service is a Federal crime.</div><div><br></div><div>5. Normally under Schedule 3 there is a notification process to go into a building and install services. The only caveats to that are if it is for the supply of services for someone like Defence, the service is down or at risk of breaking service level. Yes – in some very limited cases carriers probably do have the right to run a 100m patch lead across a DC floor without notice to the DC operator if there is an SLA issue. Keep that in the back pocket for a rainy day…</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Jonathan Brewer <<a href="mailto:jon.brewer@gmail.com">jon.brewer@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Friday, 23 October 2015 7:29 am<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Christopher Pollock <<a href="mailto:cpollock@twitch.tv">cpollock@twitch.tv</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] Office Link Needed (Fibre or alike) Sydney<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Questions & comments, if the audience pleases, to help me better understand Australian law.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 October 2015 at 06:31, Christopher Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cpollock@twitch.tv" target="_blank">cpollock@twitch.tv</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Now, to explain a little about how public datacentres often work, generally the colo provider would charge you an exorbinant amount to install cabling between racks or to run patch leads, in the thousands.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is how exchanges are run in NZ. You don't get to cross connect by yourself. But that's commerce, isn't it? The hotel owner makes the rules. If they don't want you partying in the hallways, you don't do it, or you get thrown out of the hotel. <b>Or is it different in Australia?</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">However, anyone with a carrier license & cabling license and the right tools could run up their own in 15 minutes. This happened many times. Thousands of times. I would not be underestimating it to say that there were at least 5,000 unregulated, unregistered cables in that datacentre floor.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This sounds like madness to me. It happens at Sky Tower Auckland, which is just hideous - and the last place one would want to run a non-radio production service. <b>How does a carrier license and cabling license allow you to treat private property any way you want?</b> Does your carrier license allow you to cross connect to another carrier in my back-yard? Can you just string cables anywhere in Australia you want? These are serious questions.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></p><blockquote style="margin:10px 0px 0px 15px;padding:0px 8px 1px;color:rgb(0,102,0);border:1px;font-size:14px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:1em;line-height:1.3em">Me: WHAT ARE YOU DOING STOP<br style="margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-top:0px">DC Tech: I’m removing the inactive and unauthorised patches. I have an order from management to do it.<br style="margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Me: ARE YOU A F**KING IDIOT? DO YOU REALISE THAT THESE ARE ACTIVE TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICES AND THAT INTERFERING WITH OR DISCONNECTING THEM IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE UNDER THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1997!?</p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What happens in the case an "Active Telecommunications Service" is run in a way that impinges on property rights? Or is run in a way that compromises the safety of a facility? Or a street? Is there some legal precedence? Has anyone ever been prosecuted under this Telecommunications Act 1997 for removing bad cabling?</div><div><br>Finally, I had the unique opportunity to help out at bdNOG in Dhaka earlier this year. Hats off to Bangladesh, who in six years have gone from 0.5m Internet users to 43m Internet users. But the cabling... it's like your data centre. Local ISPs just do whatever they want. Unregulated, unregistered cables everywhere. <b>And it looks like this: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsh3kt3muuj8q5f/2015-05-19%2008.40.29.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsh3kt3muuj8q5f/2015-05-19%2008.40.29.jpg?dl=0</a></b><br><br>-JB</div></div></div></div>
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