<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 October 2015 at 08:29, Jonathan Brewer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon.brewer@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.brewer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Questions & comments, if the audience pleases, to help me better understand Australian law.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 23 October 2015 at 06:31, Christopher Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cpollock@twitch.tv" target="_blank">cpollock@twitch.tv</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Now, to explain a little about how public datacentres often work, generally the colo provider would charge you an exorbinant amount to install cabling between racks or to run patch leads, in the thousands.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>This is how exchanges are run in NZ. You don't get to cross connect by yourself. But that's commerce, isn't it? The hotel owner makes the rules. If they don't want you partying in the hallways, you don't do it, or you get thrown out of the hotel. <b>Or is it different in Australia?</b></div><span class=""><div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These days, no, the DC operator is generally the only one running cables outside of private suites. In some older DC's, this is only a fairly new thing. Globalswitch, it was only 4-5 years ago that they stopped allowing third party contractors (we had to have completed a contractor induction though..) to run cabling at will though. It pushed the price of cross connect installs up quite significantly! (i.e. $1500-2k to GS, as compared to $750-1k to an inducted cabler)</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">However, anyone with a carrier license & cabling license and the right tools could run up their own in 15 minutes. This happened many times. Thousands of times. I would not be underestimating it to say that there were at least 5,000 unregulated, unregistered cables in that datacentre floor.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>This sounds like madness to me. It happens at Sky Tower Auckland, which is just hideous - and the last place one would want to run a non-radio production service. <b>How does a carrier license and cabling license allow you to treat private property any way you want?</b> Does your carrier license allow you to cross connect to another carrier in my back-yard? Can you just string cables anywhere in Australia you want? These are serious questions.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's the carrier license that allows that ;) It's the cabling license which allows you to do the cabling (Carrier license is on the company, cabling license is on the individual. An employee of a carrier may run cable from outside a premises up to the demarc point, but may do NO cabling internally unless they are also a licensed cabler. (I know of one canberra-based carrier who ran afoul of this in ~2003 when their non-licensed lineys were doing internal building cabling, and not filling in MDF record books (which was what caught them out after a query to the ACMA on why carriers don't have to fill in record books - result being that they do, and the ACMA setup something of a sting which resulted in a large fine)) </div><div><br></div><div>I'm sure someone more familiar with the Carrier side of things will fill in the blanks, but if a building owner tries to stop a licensed carrier from installing a service for one of their customers, they can serve them notice under the Telecommunications Act, and then take it to court if need be to enforce their access to the premises. If your back-yard was the only access route between a carrier and their customer, then yes, they could trench through your property, same as an electricity company can run lines across your farm to serve your neighbour.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">
<p>Damien Gardner Jnr<br>VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust Master Cabler<br><a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a> - <span><a href="http://www.rendrag.net/" target="_blank">http://www.rendrag.net/</a><u><br></u></span>--<br>We rode on the winds of the rising storm,<br> We ran to the sounds of thunder.<br>We danced among the lightning bolts,<br> and tore the world asunder</p></div></div>
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