<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Understanding of the telco act has matured since the days when police intervened with angry farmers so that intercapital cable works could proceed.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Making DBYD enforceable is probably a major use of this part of the act, most outdoor copper cables were installed before the current law came into existence.<br><br>The legal advice that you're likely to get is that even as a carrier there is not good recourse for having damage compensated if you don't have a contract of some kind to be there in the first place. Especially where there is an alternative available, like a commercial cross connect service, regulated duct access agreement, or a land access notice.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">John<br><br></div><div><br>On 23 Oct 2015, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Brewer <<a href="mailto:jon.brewer@gmail.com">jon.brewer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Questions & comments, if the audience pleases, to help me better understand Australian law.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 October 2015 at 06:31, Christopher Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cpollock@twitch.tv" target="_blank">cpollock@twitch.tv</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Now, to explain a little about how public datacentres often work, generally the colo provider would charge you an exorbinant amount to install cabling between racks or to run patch leads, in the thousands.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is how exchanges are run in NZ. You don't get to cross connect by yourself. But that's commerce, isn't it? The hotel owner makes the rules. If they don't want you partying in the hallways, you don't do it, or you get thrown out of the hotel. <b>Or is it different in Australia?</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">However, anyone with a carrier license & cabling license and the right tools could run up their own in 15 minutes. This happened many times. Thousands of times. I would not be underestimating it to say that there were at least 5,000 unregulated, unregistered cables in that datacentre floor.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This sounds like madness to me. It happens at Sky Tower Auckland, which is just hideous - and the last place one would want to run a non-radio production service. <b>How does a carrier license and cabling license allow you to treat private property any way you want?</b> Does your carrier license allow you to cross connect to another carrier in my back-yard? Can you just string cables anywhere in Australia you want? These are serious questions.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0.357143em 0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></p><blockquote style="margin:10px 0px 0px 15px;padding:0px 8px 1px;color:rgb(0,102,0);border:1px;font-size:14px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:1em;line-height:1.3em">Me: WHAT ARE YOU DOING STOP<br style="margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-top:0px">DC Tech: I’m removing the inactive and unauthorised patches. I have an order from management to do it.<br style="margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Me: ARE YOU A F**KING IDIOT? DO YOU REALISE THAT THESE ARE ACTIVE TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICES AND THAT INTERFERING WITH OR DISCONNECTING THEM IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE UNDER THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1997!?</p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What happens in the case an "Active Telecommunications Service" is run in a way that impinges on property rights? Or is run in a way that compromises the safety of a facility? Or a street? Is there some legal precedence? Has anyone ever been prosecuted under this Telecommunications Act 1997 for removing bad cabling?</div><div><br>Finally, I had the unique opportunity to help out at bdNOG in Dhaka earlier this year. Hats off to Bangladesh, who in six years have gone from 0.5m Internet users to 43m Internet users. But the cabling... it's like your data centre. Local ISPs just do whatever they want. Unregulated, unregistered cables everywhere. <b>And it looks like this: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsh3kt3muuj8q5f/2015-05-19%2008.40.29.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsh3kt3muuj8q5f/2015-05-19%2008.40.29.jpg?dl=0</a></b><br><br>-JB</div></div></div></div>
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