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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yep, ISP is responsible for CVC and AVC shaping, NBN just drop packets like a bitch !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Jones<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 9:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>This is correct. NBN Co moved from queuing to policing some time ago. They advise access seekers should be performing per AVC and CVC shaping, otherwise you will experience throughout performance degradation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=Default><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>There is a good NBN Co technical document “Queue to Policer based QOS Migrations - Consequences for EU Throughput” that you should be able to get from NBN Co or your NBN wholesale partner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Loenneker<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As a kind of side note to this, I’ve heard that the traffic shaping method by NBN Co is less than ideal (I recall something about dropping packets instead of queuing but can’t remember details), and that ISPs should put traffic shaping rules on their own equipment to avoid performance issues on the links. I did a bit of a Google on the topic but am probably using the wrong terminology to find anything useful. Does anyone have any more information they could share on this? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Dino Sosic' <<a href="mailto:Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au">Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sorry, meant to say AVC ID in the last bit </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Dino Sosic [<a href="mailto:Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au">mailto:Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Julian; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks guys. I thought it would be something like that, but not a lot of info out there specific for NBN services. </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Paul Julian [<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au">mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dino Sosic <<a href="mailto:Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au">Dino.Sosic@datacom.com.au</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Dino, some ISP’s do it different to others, some use PPPOE, some use DHCP, it just depends on what they want to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For an NBN directly connected ISP they take a VLAN from NBN for each CVC on each POI they connect to, then each customer is allocated a VLAN within the CVC VLAN, so you have layer 2 separation between customers, really whether you use PPPOE or DHCP there is no difference to separation, it’s a matter of choice for ISP’s, unless they use an aggregator which only offers one option like Telstra Wholesale, at present they run their wholesale NBN network over the top of their retail NBN network, they only offer DHCP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regarding the auth, there is no auth when using DHCP necessariy, but you can use radius and DHCP to do it if you want, then just do the accounting based on the IP they are allocated, you can also allocate IP based on the CVC ID which is presented by NBN, you can set that up as a radius check attribute so that you can control various aspects of the session at connection time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dino Sosic<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] NBN Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Quick question about the NBN deployment. I am looking for a technical answer here. Some NBN services give you a public IP via DHCP and they push a default route with it. How are the customers separated and how is the same IP leased to the same NBN endpoint every time? Is this something that is different from ISP to ISP or? There is no auth on the endpoint, and it can’t be the MAC either.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m surprised how little people/engineers really know about the fine works of NBN deployment. ( especially the ISP engineers )<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dino<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>##################################################################################### Confidentiality and Privilege Notice This document is intended solely for the named addressee. The information contained in the pages is confidential and contains legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message or responsible for delivery of the message to such person, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone, and you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. 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