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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>LOL, after I read that Noel I saw the exact same rubbish, but I couldn’t be bothered saying anything in reply, the greens must be right </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noel Butler<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 October 2015 11:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Data retention<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 13/10/2015 08:22, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Most of my friends, mainly IT literate are thinking vpn. Not a good sampling for the general public.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But you have pollie's pushing VPN's and legal (!) avoidance</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect">http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cant let a good story get in road of facts, MT was not the architect, Brandis was, I'm sure we all remember MT was on the outer with this until Abbott had him come in and clear up their "selling the idea" mess.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>as fort most of it, the data retention law hasnt changed anything, its been long well known Telco's have logged sms data and voice from-to-duration blah blah blah, Telstra and Optus have those records for 7 years, and its been well known for many years they have, so why werent these advocates outraged 10, 15 years ago<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>now for the Tuesday funnies..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"<em>the address you emailed, the size of the message, the file names of attachments, the file sizes of attachments, the time the message was sent, and your location,</em>"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The address you emails - true<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>size of the message - true<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>file names of attachments - BULLSHIT (thats part of the "DATA" stage)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>file sizes of attachments - BULLSHIT (only the total message size is logged)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the time the message was sent - clap clap - true<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the location - sure, your IP address at the time - which could be traced back to your connection location, so we'll give him half a point there, but about 8/10 points for scare mungering,its something everybody has always done to deal with spam/abuse reports.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>now for outright lies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"your IP address, your destination addresses*, your location, the time you connected to the web, the duration you connected to the web, and the volume of data exchanged.</span></em><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the destination address is explicitly EXCLUDED..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>your location, thats back to your IP address.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>time connected to web - whoops more porkies - web access is not recorded,unless means what time you logged into your broadband service, half a point there, maybe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the volume of data used half a point there, because they want you to keep the daily/monthly<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>data usages - which most customers expect to see anyway<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I stopped reading at that point, because I'm recovering from a virus, and my tummy and throat was hurting too much form the laughter...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>But like i said far be it from me to expect a pollie to be honest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>If you have the urge to reply to all rather than reply to list, you best read <a href="http://members.ausics.net/qwerty/">http://members.ausics.net/qwerty/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>