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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/10/2015 12:47 PM, Peter Fern
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2015 12:45, Paul Brooks
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/10/2015 12:19 PM, Damien
          Gardner Jnr wrote:<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2015 at 12:16,
                Peter Fern <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    class="">On 10/13/2015 12:07, Damien Gardner Jnr
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                    > It occurs to me that if folks were
                    latency-sensitive, it would be a<br>
                    > simple matter to find an overseas company who
                    has .au endpoints?<br>
                    > There are plenty around -  ExpressVPN, PureVPN,
                    BlackVPN, Overplay,<br>
                    > and VPNSecure come to mind quickly.<br>
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                  </span>But then they're subject to data retention...<br>
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                <div>How do you figure that? A US company (especially
                  one who is only providing VPN services, so is not an
                  ISP) is not subject to data retention..?<br>
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        Are you sure about that?<br>
        I'm not convinced the nationality of the company is relevent. A
        US company that provides a VPN service (a relevent service) from
        infrastructure it owns or operates physically located in
        Australia, would be subject to data retention requirements for
        that server in Australia <b>and arguably every other server on
          the globe that provides the VPN service.</b><br>
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      Nationality is not relevant, but unless you qualify as a Carrier
      or CSP you're not eligible.<br>
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    ...and you qualify as a CSP by providing a communication service -
    or even by just reselling somebody else's communication service. Or
    are you arguing that a VPN isn't a communication service? The
    definition of what makes you a CSP in the Telco Act is fairly broad
    - and you don't have the luxury of self-declaring whether you are or
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    Paul.<br>
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