<div dir="ltr">Back from a break and see I need to make a disclosure: I'm a journo and I'm on the list.<div><br></div><div>Can't be entirely sure I did it on this occasion but it is my practice to reveal I am a journo when I sign up for just about anything, per item 8 of the MEAA Code of Ethics. <a href="http://www.alliance.org.au/code-of-ethics.html">http://www.alliance.org.au/code-of-ethics.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW I hardly ever post, never do so as a shout-out for comment and never to promote stories I or colleagues write. I don't quote from the list, but contact posters directly if the list sparks a story.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO the list is source of what I believe have been important stories. On data retention in particular, the AGD's mishandling of the implementation would not have come to light without public access to the list. </div><div><br></div><div>If you want me to go, I'll be off. But I urge you to keep the public archives up. The list shines a light into some dark corners the government would rather stay dark, but which IMHO deserve exposure.</div><div><br></div><div>Simon Sharwood</div><div>APAC Editor</div><div>The Register</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Noel Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" target="_blank">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt">
<p>The problem is, its waived as fair use as Mark Smith pointed out when its to a public forum (meaning mailing lists, forums, usenet, etc), since it by design is public you have no expectation of privacy in content, the courts IIRC have already made this clear many years ago, the only time you have copyright and legal recourse is with private correspondence dissemination which mailing lists are not. All those disclaimers are not worth anything on public lists where anyone can sign up.</p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1f497d">It becomes a matter of copyright and who has ownership. Having it publicly open with no real copyright definition and what you can and can't do with the information is up for debate.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1f497d">At least when you have a disclaimer, it protects copyright and ownership of the information within. Speculatively, breaching the disclaimer means breaching copyright laws and no one in their right mind would knowingly breach copyright laws just the sake of a story. Well, I would hope not...</span></p><span class="">
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