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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sounds like a plan. <br>
      Though I reckon we need some CEO's from some large companies
      involved in the sector involved as well. <br>
      Regards Chad. <br>
      <br>
      On 9/11/2015 2:13 PM, Andrew Kitchen wrote:<br>
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      <div>Look I have connections in Canberra and I am very well
        connected with my local MP and have been very successful in
        getting projects funded in my local area so happy to put my hand
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        Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Legal Challenge To Meta Data Laws<br>
        From: Chad Kelly <br>
        To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
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          <div class="PlainText">On 9/10/2015 9:41 AM,
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net</a> wrote:<br>
            > ahaha and your ruling is opposite to mine and others, I
            guess it depends<br>
            > who is sitting on the CAC desk at the time, and as
            discussed here at<br>
            > length the whole thing contradicts itself anyway, but
            what do you expect<br>
            Yeah, plus they have been discussing this for 6 years!.<br>
            So its not really a new idea at all.<br>
            I found a post in the registered providers forum on WHT Au
            discussing <br>
            these laws back in 2009 the other day.<br>
            As I have said before short of paying and or having
            lobbyists in <br>
            Canberra to get the government to do what you want, their is
            not much <br>
            you can do.<br>
            That said the government do have rules surrounding lobbying
            but thats <br>
            because they are required to have at least a couple to try
            and prevent <br>
            too much influence, but if you have the right organisation
            structure and <br>
            know the right people its not that hard to change the
            governments <br>
            decisions, but you need to have a say very early on when
            legislation is <br>
            being developed not at the 11th hour.<br>
            We need an industry body setup that has a  specific role to
            look after <br>
            the needs of web hosting providers and ISps and that can
            lobby <br>
            government. The community radio sector have had one for
            years, if that <br>
            wasn't the case the government would of stopped funding them
            years ago, <br>
            its only through lobbying that the sector gets a few million
            a year.<br>
            Same goes for a lot of other groups and parts of our
            society.<br>
            Regards Chad.<br>
            <br>
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            -- <br>
            Chad Kelly<br>
            Manager<br>
            CPK Web Services<br>
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            phone 03 9013 4853<br>
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Chad Kelly 
Manager 
CPK Web Services 
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