<div dir="ltr">Obviously I will support any challenge to the law.... and would encourage Comms Alliance and Internet Australia to support it as well... especially as they have legal resources.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#002060" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><font color="#1F497D" face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="3"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(32,73,125)"><br>...Skeeve</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(32,73,125)"><br>--</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(32,73,125)">Skeeve Stevens - <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">The ISP Guy - Internet Provider SME</span></p></font></font><font color="#002060" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><font color="#1F497D" face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="3"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(32,73,125)">Email: <a href="mailto:skeeve@theispguy.com" target="_blank">skeeve@theispguy.com</a> ; <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Cell: +61(0)414 753 383</span></p></font></font><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><font color="#20497d" face="Calibri">Skype: skeeve; </font><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;color:rgb(32,73,125);font-family:Calibri">Blog: <a href="http://theispguy.com/" target="_blank">TheISPGuy.com</a> ; Facebook: </span><font color="#20497d" face="Calibri" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/theispguy" target="_blank">TheISPGuy</a></font></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><font color="#002060"><font color="#1F497D" face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="3"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(32,73,125)">Linkedin: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Expert360: </span><a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Profile</a></p></font></font></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Kitchen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:a.kitchen@xi.com.au" target="_blank">a.kitchen@xi.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Over the last few weeks there has been discussions on this forum about Content Service Providers having to keep data retention obligations. We finally have a ruling from the AG yesterday in relation to this issue yesterday and if you are an ISP and you
are offering these services then you must retain meta data. However if you don’t meet the category outlined in the data retention legislation then you don’t have to….</div>
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<div>So in other words if you don’t offer ISP type services and all you do is offer Content based services such as Web Hosting etc then you don’t have data retention obligations.</div>
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<div>This is anti competitive and will force ISP to either wear the costs and maybe make a loss or forced to but up pricing which will make them not able to compete in the marketplace.</div>
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<div>I feel there is a viable legal challenge to these laws for ISP’s who offer web hosting and other services and I am looking for expressions of interest who would be interested in joining a possible class action against the government. I would be looking
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<div>A) Taking out an injunction against the Federal Government to stop ISP having to comply with the meta data retention laws until a full hearing of the Federal Court can be heard</div>
<div>B) Full legal defence prepared and presented to the Federal Court</div>
<div>C) Each party responsible for costs – this means that we aren’t hit with government legal bills</div>
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<div>This whole legislation is very badly written, it gives an unfair advantage to non ISP based content providers and in my legal opinion would be winnable.</div>
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<div>So if anyone is interested in sharing the costs to challenge these very badly designed and executed laws then would be happy to hear from you.</div>
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