<div dir="ltr"><div>You'll need a carrier license if your pigeons are crossing a property line.<br><br></div><div>(I am not a lawyer. This is not expert legal opinion)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Paul Wilkins<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 September 2015 at 09:19, Dylan Chidgey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au" target="_blank">dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Pigeons FTW<br>
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm</a><br>
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From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark<br>
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Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:33 PM<br>
To: Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>><br>
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</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 3 September 2015 at 17:17, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> If I use hungry eagles instead, will I be:<br>
> (a) non-compliant with the RFC<br>
> (b) offering a lower-latency service<br>
> (c) subject to ACCC investigation when other's links mysteriously fail<br>
> (d) all of the above<br>
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So if pigeon loss is too high, it might be necessary to resort to a more<br>
reliable link layer, taking into account BCP 89/RFC 3819's advice ("Advice<br>
for Internet Subnetwork Designers"),<br>
<br>
"Error recovery in the subnetwork is therefore<br>
   justifiable only to the extent that it can enhance overall<br>
   performance.  It is important to recognize that a subnetwork can go<br>
   too far in attempting to provide error recovery services in the<br>
   Internet environment.  Subnet reliability should be "lightweight",<br>
   i.e., it only has to be "good enough", *not* perfect."<br>
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and resort to a tank link-layer.<br>
<br>
RFC 1217, "Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (CSCR)"<br>
<br>
"  This system uses a highly redundant optical communication technique<br>
   to achieve ultra-low, ultra-robust transmission.  The basic unit is<br>
   the M1A1 tank.  Each tank is labelled with the number 0 or 1 painted<br>
   four feet high on the tank turret in yellow, day-glo luminescent<br>
   paint."<br>
<br>
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> On 3/09/2015 4:32 PM, Jim Woodward wrote:<br>
><br>
> It's all good in theory until your network delivery team calls in with<br>
> bird flu :)<br>
><br>
> On 3/09/2015 3:20 PM, Purdon, Bob wrote:<br>
><br>
>> So I reckon you'd be on solid ground if you used RFC1149.<br>
><br>
> I recall that PIPE Networks did a trial of RFC1149 some time ago from<br>
> the<br>
> 127 Creek St office.  Wasn't terribly successful :-)<br>
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