<div dir="ltr">I wonder what the average packet (pigeon) retry time (gestation period) is like?<div>That's a fair few dropped packets.<br><div><br></div><div>- Bob W</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 September 2015 at 15:33, Patrick Ohearn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pat@ge3k.net" target="_blank">pat@ge3k.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a href="http://www.pigeons-r-us.co.uk/images/pigeon-shoot3.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.pigeons-r-us.co.uk/images/pigeon-shoot3.jpg</a><br>
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On 4 September 2015 at 15:26, Dylan Chidgey<br>
<div><div class="h5"><<a href="mailto:dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au">dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> What would be the implementation plan for data retention and lawful<br>
> interception?<br>
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> From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Nick<br>
> Stallman<br>
> Sent: Friday, 4 September 2015 3:23 PM<br>
> To: Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)<br>
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> That only applies for carrier pigeons I thought?<br>
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> On 04/09/15 14:31, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
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> You'll need a carrier license if your pigeons are crossing a property line.<br>
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> (I am not a lawyer. This is not expert legal opinion)<br>
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> Paul Wilkins<br>
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> On 4 September 2015 at 09:19, Dylan Chidgey<br>
> <<a href="mailto:dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au">dylan.chidgey@cirruscomms.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Pigeons FTW<br>
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> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm</a><br>
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> From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark<br>
> Smith<br>
> Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:33 PM<br>
> To: Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)<br>
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> On 3 September 2015 at 17:17, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> If I use hungry eagles instead, will I be:<br>
>> (a) non-compliant with the RFC<br>
>> (b) offering a lower-latency service<br>
>> (c) subject to ACCC investigation when other's links mysteriously fail<br>
>> (d) all of the above<br>
>><br>
><br>
> So if pigeon loss is too high, it might be necessary to resort to a more<br>
> reliable link layer, taking into account BCP 89/RFC 3819's advice ("Advice<br>
> for Internet Subnetwork Designers"),<br>
><br>
> "Error recovery in the subnetwork is therefore<br>
>    justifiable only to the extent that it can enhance overall<br>
>    performance.  It is important to recognize that a subnetwork can go<br>
>    too far in attempting to provide error recovery services in the<br>
>    Internet environment.  Subnet reliability should be "lightweight",<br>
>    i.e., it only has to be "good enough", *not* perfect."<br>
><br>
> and resort to a tank link-layer.<br>
><br>
> RFC 1217, "Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (CSCR)"<br>
><br>
> "  This system uses a highly redundant optical communication technique<br>
>    to achieve ultra-low, ultra-robust transmission.  The basic unit is<br>
>    the M1A1 tank.  Each tank is labelled with the number 0 or 1 painted<br>
>    four feet high on the tank turret in yellow, day-glo luminescent<br>
>    paint."<br>
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>><br>
>> On 3/09/2015 4:32 PM, Jim Woodward wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It's all good in theory until your network delivery team calls in with<br>
>> bird flu :)<br>
>><br>
>> On 3/09/2015 3:20 PM, Purdon, Bob wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> So I reckon you'd be on solid ground if you used RFC1149.<br>
>><br>
>> I recall that PIPE Networks did a trial of RFC1149 some time ago from<br>
>> the<br>
>> 127 Creek St office.  Wasn't terribly successful :-)<br>
>><br>
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