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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>we have bandwidth galore almost next door to the property you're referring to so maybe we can something to assist?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dylan Chidgey<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 September 2015 9:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Skeeve Stevens'; 'Mark Newton'<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; 'James Cunningham'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have looked at doing Gig wireless to the building across the street and because of how small of a building B1 is you need a fairly creative mount. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also NextDC will still charge you a roof rental fee to and cross connect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 September 2015 12:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>; James Cunningham <<a href="mailto:jjazza26@gmail.com">jjazza26@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Mark - Is a Carriers License necessary? If the customer did it themselves... or basically paid for it, it shouldn't be needed as it is a private link.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Even if it is... you could get someone to do an NCD for it... not common, but possible.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But... personally, if it was that close, I would do a gig wireless link ask the DC for roof access... would be the most flexible way.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'><br>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>Skeeve Stevens - </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>The ISP Guy - Internet Provider SME</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>Email: <a href="mailto:skeeve@theispguy.com" target="_blank">skeeve@theispguy.com</a> ; </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>Cell: <a href="tel:%2B61%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61(0)414 753 383</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>Skype: skeeve; Blog: <a href="http://theispguy.com/" target="_blank">TheISPGuy.com</a> ; Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/theispguy" target="_blank">TheISPGuy</a></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'>Linkedin: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>/in/skeeve</span></a> ; </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Expert360: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#20497D'><a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>Profile</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:59 PM, James Cunningham <<a href="mailto:jjazza26@gmail.com" target="_blank">jjazza26@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Normally we would do this via Pipe/AAPT/Vocus etc, but given it’s so close, what would be involved in getting our own contractors to run the fibre and renting duct space for a 6 core fibre cable?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>You’ll need:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - A carrier license.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - An agreement with someone to lease you some duct space.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Subduct for your cable.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Agreement from Pipe to run cable into their facility.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Agreement from the building owners at each end to enter the building, use the comms risers, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Contractors with enough insurance coverage to make sure you’re not holding the can when the building burns down because they haven’t reinstated firestop in the riser properly, who can give you OTDR reports so you can see which cores have the dodgy splices before you try to put traffic on them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Knowledge of the use and interpretation of OTDR reports.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Registration with “Dial Before You Dig."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - A cross-connect from Pipe between your rack and the demarc location they specify for termination of your cable.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Probably other stuff I’ve forgotten.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Or is this really a “too hard basket” and we should just go to Pipe or Vocus and have them do it?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>It depends on what you want your business to be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to play in the retailer space, buy wholesale services, package them, add margin, sell them to your customers. You don’t need any significant infrastructure, and can keep doing it indefinitely until your customer switches to Telstra (perhaps with a brief stop-over on TPG).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to play in the infrastructure provider space, then you need to operate infrastructure. The first few times will be unprofitably expensive learning experiences, and your competitors all have the benefit of scale, but you’ll get better at it. If you can build yourself a first-mover advantage on some profitable cable routes, you might be able to eke out a survivable (or even livable) niche.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or maybe it’s too late for anyone else to do that in Australia. Dunno.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> - mark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>