<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><i>Your switches are (probably) reporting the receive POWER at -12dBm
(which would sound about right). I doubt the switch any way to know what
power the other end is sending and therefore no way to know what the
attenuation is.<br><br></i></div>Not at the physical layer, no. Seems a missed opportunity this wasn't incorporated in the BFD protocol. It'd be a natural mix of synergy, control plane, link reliability, and TX power. I'd be tempted to post an RFC myself but for other irons in the fire etc.<br><br></div>Kind regards<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 August 2015 at 17:05, Ross Wheeler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog@rossw.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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Hi Ross,<br>
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Power loss, reported as -19dBm.<br>
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That doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps "the industry" has adopted some perculiar term compared to RF, but "loss" doesn't have a reference.<br>
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Expressing loss as a negative seems counter-intuitive too, so a "loss of minus 19dB" is a double-negative, suggesting a gain of 19dB (seems unlikely in a passive lump of glass!)<br>
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Power will be given in dB from some known reference, eg:<br>
dB(m) (dB referenced to 1 milliwatt)<br>
dB(V) (dB referenced to 1 volt)<br>
dB(W) (dB referenced to 1 watt)<br>
etc...<br>
<br>
+30dBm = 1 watt. (10^3 * 1mW = 1W)<br>
-20dBW = 10 milliwatts (10^-2 * 1W = 0.01W)<br>
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To give a "loss" of -19dBm sounds like someone doesn't really understand what they're telling you, and they either mean "19dB loss", or "we're measuring -19dBm of power". While many people use the terms interchangably (wrongly) they then rely on you to interpret it correctly from the context.<br>
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(Much like people getting kW and kWh mixed up and using the wrong ones)<span class=""><br>
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area where they've been plugging SC cables into SCA sockets), I don't have<br>
photos, but the power loss is now measuring -12dBm. Which my switches now<br>
report as normal.<br>
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Your switches are (probably) reporting the receive POWER at -12dBm (which would sound about right). I doubt the switch any way to know what power the other end is sending and therefore no way to know what the attenuation is.<br>
(a 100km cable might have 10dB attenuation, transmit power of -3dBm would see a receive power of -13dBm. The same transmitter on the end of a short jumper cable would report close to -4dBm)<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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