<div dir="ltr">That wasn't intended to be a personal attack and I apologise unreservedly for not being more careful in how I worded it. I was highlighting a quote, deliberately out of context, that could be taken by an outsider as evidence that something legally relevant was being discussed.<div><br></div><div>I'd add a further caution to John's - the industry allowed itself to get screwed by this policy and it's now past the fight phase and acquiesce phase. *This* phase is where the AGD focuses on making sure that the government and bureaucracy are not blamed for negative consequences (that they said wouldn't happen). If you're trying to think of (legal) ways to make sure the people who did this to you have to lie in the bed they made too, I'd suggest the public list is not the forum for it, they'll be watching and they'll retaliate with the tools they as the attorney general's department have at their disposal, and that has the potential to be acutely unpleasant.</div><div><br></div><div>G</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Matt Perkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>My statement is my option of how customers within the industry would behave and is by no means collusion or suggestion that the industry should collude. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure it's fair to cast such a broad brush. Happy for the thread to stop but a bit puzzled at the personal attack. </div><div><br></div><div>Matt</div><div><span class=""><br><br><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>/* Matt Perkins</div><div> Direct <a href="tel:1300%20137%20379" value="+611300137379" target="_blank">1300 137 379</a> Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd.</div><div> Office <a href="tel:1300%20133%20299" value="+611300133299" target="_blank">1300 133 299</a> <a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a></div></span><div> Fax <a href="tel:1300%20133%20255" value="+611300133255" target="_blank">1300 133 255</a> Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000</div><div> SIP <a href="mailto:1300137379@sip.spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">1300137379@sip.spectrum.com.au</a></div><div> Google Talk <a href="mailto:MattAPerkins@gmail.com" target="_blank">MattAPerkins@gmail.com</a></div><div> PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at <a href="http://pgp.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu</a></div><div>*/</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:49 AM, Geordie Guy <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">In the end unless the entire industry does it. People will use it as another commercial point of difference"</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Yeah look I wouldn't talk about this in this way and I think it'd be a good idea if a mod steps in.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">G</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jacob Gardiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com" target="_blank">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">What, you’re not allowed to talk about your costs?</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Please. This is nowhere near collusion.</div><div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div> <div><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"><br></div></div> <br><p style="color:#000">On 17 August 2015 at 3:41:59 pm, John Lindsay (<a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" target="_blank">johnslindsay@mac.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div>
<div>As a former Regulatory and Corporate Affairs Manager
I think I should warn that this is dangerously close to industry
collusion and shouldn’t be discussed.</div>
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<div>On 17 Aug 2015, at 12:02 pm, Andrew Kitchen
<<a href="mailto:a.kitchen@xi.com.au" target="_blank">a.kitchen@xi.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I know when Andrew Yager ran the Data Retention
workshop in Sydney recently towards the end and this was only
touched on briefly about putting a Data Retention type of charge on
end users accounts to help cover the out of pocket costs that we
all face. I haven’t seen any further information about this
out in the media so I am just seeing what the feeling is amongst
the industry and if anyone has any ideas about how to calculate
charges etc.</div>
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<div>I feel that some kind of charges has to be past on to
users as the out of pocket expense to the industry is too high for
us to wear and needs to be recovered but it would be nice for the
industry as a whole to approach the together rather than some pass
it on and others wear it.</div>
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