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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the summary! I had figured that those at the event were concentrating hard given the lack of reply. Now that we’re down to 15 days before the DRIPs are due, I suspect that some of us are looking at some very long nights writing these monsters up. Any help from the videos or similar is going to be much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Andrew Yager [mailto:andrew@rwts.com.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Richard Ham - Lists<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention Workshop - Tuesday 28th July<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for not replying yesterday; we were in the thick of it when you emailed in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Overall, the event went well. Those that were in attendance can offer their own unbiased opinion - but certainly the feedback I had was that it was very positive and useful in terms of understanding the DR legislation and how to develop DRIPs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We took some videos at the event yesterday which we'll be making available in the next day or so, including David's presentation and some other bits and pieces. We'll also put together a summary of the workshop where we looked at:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>An MPLS WAN network<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>A hosted e-mail service<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>A MDU apartment complex/CGN NAT scenario<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal>and dragged out the relevant services, and highlighted some of the common data you would need to collect for these relevant services; and also pointing out some of the common areas where people might need to make system changes to get there. It may take me a little while to get through documenting these back as I do need to do some of my day job™ every now and then :)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Once again, a big thank you to everyone who was able to attend and contribute to the discussion, and a big thank you to Dell for hosting us yesterday and helping to cover a substantial portion of the cost of running the event. Can I also highly recommend the WAIA event being run next week in a similar fashion that will also be online streamed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One area that I think can be explored more… We spent a fair bit of time yesterday discussing the edge cases of what is or is not a CSP. David and the people in the room pointed out a number of scenarios where normal businesses may in fact be Carriage Service Providers, that we would not normally have considered as such - and I think that around the small provider end of the world there is a number of small companies and providers that are not sure if they are technically a CSP as far as the law. One of the suggestions was that it may be beneficial for one or more of the industry associations to put together a "guide" on how to determine if you are a CSP - i.e. "if you do XXX,… you are a CSP" "if you do YYY, you are probably a CSP", "if you do ZZZ you need to seek legal advice as to whether you are or are not a CSP".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any questions, bounce back on list - I'm sure anyone there would be more than happy to contribute back into the discussion on list.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 28 July 2015 at 12:20, Richard Ham - Lists <<a href="mailto:rich-lists@edit-co.com" target="_blank">rich-lists@edit-co.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Andrew, List,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any chance we can get some feedback on how the event is going and what major points are being discussed for those who couldn’t join in? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Yager<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 23 July 2015 12:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Geordie Guy<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention Workshop - Tuesday 28th July</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I suspect that everyone on this list is well aware of the desire to do this "cheaply" with minimum "rights invasion" and aware that the legislation is dumb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>-SNIP-</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Andrew Yager, Managing Director</b> <i>(BCompSc, JNCIS-SP, MACS (Snr) CP)</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Real World Technology Solutions - IT People you can trust<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Voice | Data | IT Procurement | Managed IT<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://rwts.com.au" target="_blank">rwts.com.au</a> | 1300 798 718<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=0 width=100 height=100 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:~WRD135.jpg" alt="Description: Image removed by sender."></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Real World is a Dell Premier Partner</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. 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