<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Shayne,</div><div><br></div>Yes, you do have 18 months to "comply"; but you only get access to the compliance period if you lodge a DRIP indicating how you will implement your compliance plan. Without lodging a DRIP, you are expected to be compliant on 13th October.<div><br></div><div>Equally, for any new service your bring online (please note that this is not a "service" in the technical sense, but a service in the "product" sense) you have an 18 month period from when you bring that service online to become compliant, provided you lodge an implementation plan that outlines how you will do that over that period.<br><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andrew</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 09:38, Shayne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shayne.mcc@gmail.com" target="_blank">shayne.mcc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Does anyone know what happened to the original 18 month implementation period ? I'm fairly sure when it first came out 18 months was the compliance period.</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Jul 2015 9:36 am, "Andrew Yager" <<a href="mailto:andrew@rwts.com.au" target="_blank">andrew@rwts.com.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Joe,<div><br></div><div>The legislation comes into force on 13th October; and the CAC must approve any DRIPs prior to the enforcement of the legislation. The CAC has 60 days to approve the DRIP, and so that 60 days before equates to 13th August.</div><div><br></div><div>At this stage, I don't see how we are going to hit that date unless we submit an unfinished half-completed document.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 08:51, Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi *,<br>
<br>
Looking over the AGD's website, I can no longer find reference to
when the Implementation Plan has to be submitted by. I recall early
documents suggesting the plan itself must be in by 13th August 2015,
but the only date relevant now I can find is 13th October 2015,
which is where you must start collecting data if you do not have an
approved implementation plan.<br>
<br>
I'll obviously email off to the CAC as well, but just wondering if
anyone can link to specifically where it says the implementation
plan must be submitted?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joe<div><div><br>
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<div>On 20/07/15 02:32, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
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<div>Am I the only one that spotted that this advice is not even
internally consistent? For the intents and purposes of the
act, there is no difference between email and usenet. Either
both qualify for logging or both don't. It's early days, but
already the legislation is coming unstitched. Happy days...<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 July 2015 at 18:00, Noel Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" target="_blank">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>></span>
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<p>wow missed so much in my absence, there is way too many
posts to catch up on and no doubt the fanbois/fangirls
will all be scrambling to dispute what I said (like I'm
sure the usual suspects will at this post as well), so I
wont bother catching up on all of em.</p>
<p>This is from the C.A.C. it does clarify that what the
AGD told me earlier is incorrect as far as the usenet
server goes, but the hosting statements remain valid</p>
<p> </p>
<p><em>Data retention obligations apply only to ‘relevant
services’. A service is a ‘relevant service’ if:</em><br>
<em>(a) It is a service for carrying communications, or
enabling communications to be carried,</em><br>
<em>(b) It is a service operated by a carrier, carriage
service provider or internet service provider, and</em><br>
<em>(c) The person operating the service owns or
operates, in Australia, infrastructure that enables
the provision </em><br>
<em> of any of its relevant services.</em><br>
<br>
<em>Based on the information you have provided,
including the knowledge that you offer an email
service, it is likely </em><br>
<em>that you are a CSP. The definition of a carriage
service provider (CSP) is contained within s87 of the
</em><br>
<em>Telecommunications Act 1979. Carriage services
include services for carrying communications, for
example telephone </em><br>
<em>services, email services, Internet access services
and Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services.</em></p>
<p><em>The services that you have mentioned in your email,
being the Usenet news server and the email server, are
to be </em><br>
<em>considered as two separate services for the purpose
of data retention.</em></p>
<p><em>The email server you have described will likely be
captured by data retention obligations unless an
exemption is </em><br>
<em>sought and agreed to. In applying the data set to an
e-mail service, data retention obligations will
include all </em><br>
<em>information contained in the ‘header’ of the email,
excluding the subject line. No content is to be
retained for </em><br>
<em>data retention purposes.</em></p>
<p><em>Based on the information you have provided, we
consider that UseNet does not appear to be a ‘relevant
service’. </em><br>
<em>If the service is not considered a relevant service
then no data retention obligations will be applicable.</em></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The Dept of Comms has confirmed that as a hosting
provider we are classified as a CSP.</p>
<p>So after that, if you, or anyone expect me to take the
word of a bunch of mailing list "bush lawyers" over the
CAC, you're all clearly on some kinda weird and
wonderful drugs, and no amount of "bush laywer"
ignorance will change that</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Don't think for a moment I'm a proponent of this law -
I'm far from it, but its a reality, so time to get your
heads out of your arses and live with it, rather than
trying to find far flung reaches of piss poor excuses as
to how you're not going to have to comply, ignorance
wont save you, or your employers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoy your weekend</p>
<span>
<p> </p>
<p>On 16/06/2015 13:07, Justin Clacherty wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px solid;margin:0">No Noel,
I think you've misinterpreted the AGD's response.<br>
<br>
You are only obligated to retain data if you fall
under 187A 3(b) of the Act. That is, you are a
carriage service provider, or an ISP. The Minister can
add other providers to be ratified within 40 days by
Parliament, but this has not yet occurred.<br>
<br>
If you do fall under 187A 3(b) of the Act. Then you
have to retain data for all services you offer, this
would include web hosting and email.<br>
<br>
If you only offer web hosting, you are not an ISP and
do not have data retention obligations.<br>
<br>
Justin.<br>
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