<div dir="ltr">I believe that implementation plans and acceptance is confidential after the first submission/acceptance - but I can say that I am categorically not aware of anyone who has submitted or had their DRIP approved, although I know of a number of people who are actively working towards the deadline.<div><br></div><div>Our conversation with the AGD have indicated we would need to supply:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The current dataset we have</div><div>2. The dataset we believe we will need to have</div><div>3. Our plan to get from point (1) to point (2) and the timing to achieve this. I have not been able to get a reasonable answer on whether a "we don't know/are developing a strategy" is an acceptable plan.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 10:10, Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Has anyone on list had their implementation plan submitted and
approved?<br>
<br>
By this logic of compliance, you wouldn't necessarily need to define
the 'dataset' you are keeping in the implementation plan (so
sourcing definitions for different service types need not be
necessary), just how you plan to implement the plan over the 18
months, giving you time to further define the data sets after
implementation plan is approved? Or is the AGD going to expect your
dataset 'assumptions' in the implementation plan?<br>
<br>
(Again, I do plan to ask directly, but at this rate AusNOG may be a
quicker answer if someone has already got the answer from the horses
mouth).<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>Hi Shayne,</div>
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Yes, you do have 18 months to "comply"; but you only get access
to the compliance period if you lodge a DRIP indicating how you
will implement your compliance plan. Without lodging a DRIP, you
are expected to be compliant on 13th October.
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<div>Equally, for any new service your bring online (please note
that this is not a "service" in the technical sense, but a
service in the "product" sense) you have an 18 month period
from when you bring that service online to become compliant,
provided you lodge an implementation plan that outlines how
you will do that over that period.<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 09:38, Shayne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shayne.mcc@gmail.com" target="_blank">shayne.mcc@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">Does anyone know what happened to the original
18 month implementation period ? I'm fairly sure when it
first came out 18 months was the compliance period.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Jul 2015 9:36 am, "Andrew
Yager" <<a href="mailto:andrew@rwts.com.au" target="_blank">andrew@rwts.com.au</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Joe,
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<div>The legislation comes into force on 13th
October; and the CAC must approve any DRIPs
prior to the enforcement of the legislation. The
CAC has 60 days to approve the DRIP, and so that
60 days before equates to 13th August.</div>
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<div>At this stage, I don't see how we are going
to hit that date unless we submit an unfinished
half-completed document.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 08:51,
Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi *,<br>
<br>
Looking over the AGD's website, I can no
longer find reference to when the
Implementation Plan has to be submitted by.
I recall early documents suggesting the plan
itself must be in by 13th August 2015, but
the only date relevant now I can find is
13th October 2015, which is where you must
start collecting data if you do not have an
approved implementation plan.<br>
<br>
I'll obviously email off to the CAC as
well, but just wondering if anyone can link
to specifically where it says the
implementation plan must be submitted?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joe
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wrote:<br>
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<div>Am I the only one that spotted
that this advice is not even
internally consistent? For the
intents and purposes of the act,
there is no difference between
email and usenet. Either both
qualify for logging or both don't.
It's early days, but already the
legislation is coming unstitched.
Happy days...<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 July
2015 at 18:00, Noel Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" target="_blank">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>></span>
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<p>wow missed so much in my
absence, there is way too
many posts to catch up on
and no doubt the
fanbois/fangirls will all be
scrambling to dispute what I
said (like I'm sure the
usual suspects will at this
post as well), so I wont
bother catching up on all of
em.</p>
<p>This is from the C.A.C. it
does clarify that what the
AGD told me earlier is
incorrect as far as the
usenet server goes, but the
hosting statements remain
valid</p>
<p> </p>
<p><em>Data retention
obligations apply only to
‘relevant services’. A
service is a ‘relevant
service’ if:</em><br>
<em>(a) It is a service for
carrying communications,
or enabling communications
to be carried,</em><br>
<em>(b) It is a service
operated by a carrier,
carriage service provider
or internet service
provider, and</em><br>
<em>(c) The person operating
the service owns or
operates, in Australia,
infrastructure that
enables the provision </em><br>
<em> of any of its relevant
services.</em><br>
<br>
<em>Based on the information
you have provided,
including the knowledge
that you offer an email
service, it is likely </em><br>
<em>that you are a CSP. The
definition of a carriage
service provider (CSP) is
contained within s87 of
the </em><br>
<em>Telecommunications Act
1979. Carriage services
include services for
carrying communications,
for example telephone </em><br>
<em>services, email
services, Internet access
services and Voice over
Internet Protocol (VoIP)
services.</em></p>
<p><em>The services that you
have mentioned in your
email, being the Usenet
news server and the email
server, are to be </em><br>
<em>considered as two
separate services for the
purpose of data retention.</em></p>
<p><em>The email server you
have described will likely
be captured by data
retention obligations
unless an exemption is </em><br>
<em>sought and agreed to. In
applying the data set to
an e-mail service, data
retention obligations will
include all </em><br>
<em>information contained in
the ‘header’ of the email,
excluding the subject
line. No content is to be
retained for </em><br>
<em>data retention purposes.</em></p>
<p><em>Based on the
information you have
provided, we consider that
UseNet does not appear to
be a ‘relevant service’. </em><br>
<em>If the service is not
considered a relevant
service then no data
retention obligations will
be applicable.</em></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The Dept of Comms has
confirmed that as a hosting
provider we are classified
as a CSP.</p>
<p>So after that, if you, or
anyone expect me to take the
word of a bunch of mailing
list "bush lawyers" over the
CAC, you're all clearly on
some kinda weird and
wonderful drugs, and no
amount of "bush laywer"
ignorance will change that</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Don't think for a moment
I'm a proponent of this law
- I'm far from it, but its a
reality, so time to get your
heads out of your arses and
live with it, rather than
trying to find far flung
reaches of piss poor excuses
as to how you're not going
to have to comply, ignorance
wont save you, or your
employers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoy your weekend</p>
<span>
<p> </p>
<p>On 16/06/2015 13:07,
Justin Clacherty wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px solid;margin:0">No
Noel, I think you've
misinterpreted the AGD's
response.<br>
<br>
You are only obligated to
retain data if you fall
under 187A 3(b) of the
Act. That is, you are a
carriage service provider,
or an ISP. The Minister
can add other providers to
be ratified within 40 days
by Parliament, but this
has not yet occurred.<br>
<br>
If you do fall under 187A
3(b) of the Act. Then you
have to retain data for
all services you offer,
this would include web
hosting and email.<br>
<br>
If you only offer web
hosting, you are not an
ISP and do not have data
retention obligations.<br>
<br>
Justin.<br>
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