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    Has anyone on list had their implementation plan submitted and
    approved?<br>
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    By this logic of compliance, you wouldn't necessarily need to define
    the 'dataset' you are keeping in the implementation plan (so
    sourcing definitions for different service types need not be
    necessary), just how you plan to implement the plan over the 18
    months, giving you time to further define the data sets after
    implementation plan is approved? Or is the AGD going to expect your
    dataset 'assumptions' in the implementation plan?<br>
    <br>
    (Again, I do plan to ask directly, but at this rate AusNOG may be a
    quicker answer if someone has already got the answer from the horses
    mouth).<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/07/15 10:04, Andrew Yager wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hi Shayne,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        Yes, you do have 18 months to "comply"; but you only get access
        to the compliance period if you lodge a DRIP indicating how you
        will implement your compliance plan. Without lodging a DRIP, you
        are expected to be compliant on 13th October.
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        <div>Equally, for any new service your bring online (please note
          that this is not a "service" in the technical sense, but a
          service in the "product" sense) you have an 18 month period
          from when you bring that service online to become compliant,
          provided you lodge an implementation plan that outlines how
          you will do that over that period.<br>
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          <div>Thanks,</div>
          <div>Andrew</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 09:38, Shayne <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:shayne.mcc@gmail.com" target="_blank">shayne.mcc@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">Does anyone know what happened to the original
              18 month implementation period ? I'm fairly sure when it
              first came out 18 months was the compliance period.</p>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Jul 2015 9:36 am, "Andrew
                  Yager" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    <div dir="ltr">Hi Joe,
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                      <div>The legislation comes into force on 13th
                        October; and the CAC must approve any DRIPs
                        prior to the enforcement of the legislation. The
                        CAC has 60 days to approve the DRIP, and so that
                        60 days before equates to 13th August.</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>At this stage, I don't see how we are going
                        to hit that date unless we submit an unfinished
                        half-completed document.</div>
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                      <div>Thanks,</div>
                      <div>Andrew</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2015 at 08:51,
                        Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi *,<br>
                            <br>
                             Looking over the AGD's website, I can no
                            longer find reference to when the
                            Implementation Plan has to be submitted by.
                            I recall early documents suggesting the plan
                            itself must be in by 13th August 2015, but
                            the only date relevant now I can find is
                            13th October 2015, which is where you must
                            start collecting data if you do not have an
                            approved implementation plan.<br>
                            <br>
                             I'll obviously email off to the CAC as
                            well, but just wondering if anyone can link
                            to specifically where it says the
                            implementation plan must be submitted?<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            Joe
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                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <div>On 20/07/15 02:32, Paul Wilkins
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <div>Am I the only one that spotted
                                      that this advice is not even
                                      internally consistent? For the
                                      intents and purposes of the act,
                                      there is no difference between
                                      email and usenet. Either both
                                      qualify for logging or both don't.
                                      It's early days, but already the
                                      legislation is coming unstitched.
                                      Happy days...<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    Paul Wilkins<br>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 19 July
                                      2015 at 18:00, Noel Butler <span
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                                      wrote:<br>
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                                          <p>wow missed so much in my
                                            absence, there is way too
                                            many posts to catch up on
                                            and no doubt the
                                            fanbois/fangirls will all be
                                            scrambling to dispute what I
                                            said (like I'm sure the
                                            usual suspects will at this
                                            post as well), so I wont
                                            bother catching up on all of
                                            em.</p>
                                          <p>This is from the C.A.C. it
                                            does clarify that what the
                                            AGD told me earlier is
                                            incorrect as far as the
                                            usenet server goes, but the
                                            hosting statements remain
                                            valid</p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p><em>Data retention
                                              obligations apply only to
                                              ‘relevant services’. A
                                              service is a ‘relevant
                                              service’ if:</em><br>
                                            <em>(a) It is a service for
                                              carrying communications,
                                              or enabling communications
                                              to be carried,</em><br>
                                            <em>(b) It is a service
                                              operated by a carrier,
                                              carriage service provider
                                              or internet service
                                              provider, and</em><br>
                                            <em>(c) The person operating
                                              the service owns or
                                              operates, in Australia,
                                              infrastructure that
                                              enables the provision </em><br>
                                            <em> of any of its relevant
                                              services.</em><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <em>Based on the information
                                              you have provided,
                                              including the knowledge
                                              that you offer an email
                                              service, it is likely </em><br>
                                            <em>that you are a CSP. The
                                              definition of a carriage
                                              service provider (CSP) is
                                              contained within s87 of
                                              the </em><br>
                                            <em>Telecommunications Act
                                              1979. Carriage services
                                              include services for
                                              carrying communications,
                                              for example telephone </em><br>
                                            <em>services, email
                                              services, Internet access
                                              services and Voice over
                                              Internet Protocol (VoIP)
                                              services.</em></p>
                                          <p><em>The services that you
                                              have mentioned in your
                                              email, being the Usenet
                                              news server and the email
                                              server, are to be </em><br>
                                            <em>considered as two
                                              separate services for the
                                              purpose of data retention.</em></p>
                                          <p><em>The email server you
                                              have described will likely
                                              be captured by data
                                              retention obligations
                                              unless an exemption is </em><br>
                                            <em>sought and agreed to. In
                                              applying the data set to
                                              an e-mail service, data
                                              retention obligations will
                                              include all </em><br>
                                            <em>information contained in
                                              the ‘header’ of the email,
                                              excluding the subject
                                              line. No content is to be
                                              retained for </em><br>
                                            <em>data retention purposes.</em></p>
                                          <p><em>Based on the
                                              information you have
                                              provided, we consider that
                                              UseNet does not appear to
                                              be a ‘relevant service’. </em><br>
                                            <em>If the service is not
                                              considered a relevant
                                              service then no data
                                              retention obligations will
                                              be applicable.</em></p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p>The Dept of Comms  has
                                            confirmed that as a hosting
                                            provider we are classified
                                            as a CSP.</p>
                                          <p>So after that, if you, or
                                            anyone expect me to take the
                                            word of a bunch of mailing
                                            list "bush lawyers" over the
                                            CAC, you're all clearly on
                                            some kinda weird and
                                            wonderful drugs, and no
                                            amount of "bush laywer"
                                            ignorance will change that</p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p>Don't think for a moment
                                            I'm a proponent of this law
                                            - I'm far from it, but its a
                                            reality, so time to get your
                                            heads out of your arses and
                                            live with it, rather than
                                            trying to find far flung
                                            reaches of piss poor excuses
                                            as to how you're not going
                                            to have to comply, ignorance
                                            wont save you, or your
                                            employers.</p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p>Enjoy your weekend</p>
                                          <span>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p>On 16/06/2015 13:07,
                                              Justin Clacherty wrote:</p>
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                                              Noel, I think you've
                                              misinterpreted the AGD's
                                              response.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              You are only obligated to
                                              retain data if you fall
                                              under 187A 3(b) of the
                                              Act. That is, you are a
                                              carriage service provider,
                                              or an ISP. The Minister
                                              can add other providers to
                                              be ratified within 40 days
                                              by Parliament, but this
                                              has not yet occurred.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              If you do fall under 187A
                                              3(b) of the Act. Then you
                                              have to retain data for
                                              all services you offer,
                                              this would include web
                                              hosting and email.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              If you only offer web
                                              hosting, you are not an
                                              ISP and do not have data
                                              retention obligations.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Justin.<br>
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