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    It will force the AGD to make a declaration which will give you a
    concrete result. Or you can just go ahead and spend 10's or 100's of
    thousands implementing and maintaining something that isn't
    necessarily required.<br>
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    Justin.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/2015 8:05 pm, Skeeve Stevens
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      <div dir="ltr">Yeah, a lawyer, about a federal law that was just
        written and is a joke to interpret.  Sounds like a way to burn a
        lot of money without any concrete result.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Justin
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> You need to talk to a
              lawyer. You shouldn't be taking what the AGD says as
              gospel.<br>
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              Justin.<br>
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              <div>On 19/07/2015 6:00 pm, Noel Butler wrote:<br>
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                <p><em>Data retention obligations apply only to
                    ‘relevant services’. A service is a ‘relevant
                    service’ if:</em><br>
                  <em>(a) It is a service for carrying communications,
                    or enabling communications to be carried,</em><br>
                  <em>(b) It is a service operated by a carrier,
                    carriage service provider or internet service
                    provider, and</em><br>
                  <em>(c) The person operating the service owns or
                    operates, in Australia, infrastructure that enables
                    the provision </em><br>
                  <em> of any of its relevant services.</em><br>
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                  <em>Based on the information you have provided,
                    including the knowledge that you offer an email
                    service, it is likely </em><br>
                  <em>that you are a CSP. The definition of a carriage
                    service provider (CSP) is contained within s87 of
                    the </em><br>
                  <em>Telecommunications Act 1979. Carriage services
                    include services for carrying communications, for
                    example telephone </em><br>
                  <em>services, email services, Internet access services
                    and Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services.</em></p>
                <p><em>The services that you have mentioned in your
                    email, being the Usenet news server and the email
                    server, are to be </em><br>
                  <em>considered as two separate services for the
                    purpose of data retention.</em></p>
                <p><em>The email server you have described will likely
                    be captured by data retention obligations unless an
                    exemption is </em><br>
                  <em>sought and agreed to. In applying the data set to
                    an e-mail service, data retention obligations will
                    include all </em><br>
                  <em>information contained in the ‘header’ of the
                    email, excluding the subject line. No content is to
                    be retained for </em><br>
                  <em>data retention purposes.</em></p>
                <p><em>Based on the information you have provided, we
                    consider that UseNet does not appear to be a
                    ‘relevant service’. </em><br>
                  <em>If the service is not considered a relevant
                    service then no data retention obligations will be
                    applicable.</em></p>
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