<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv1419719404"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14296"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14295"><div id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9313"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9313"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9312" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9311" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9310"> <hr id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9400" size="1"> <font id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9309" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Geordie Guy <elomis@gmail.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>; Brad Peczka <brad@bradpeczka.com>; "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 27 June 2015, 23:21<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv1419719404y_msg_container" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9399"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1419719404"><div id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9631"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9630">This is perpetuating the "nothing to hide" myth. Privacy is not about being protected from any particular form of harassment such as spam, it's about the details of the registration being nobody's goddamn business. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9630"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9630">/ I think it is when you're registering a globally unique and *public* place holder / identifier using a *public* resource.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9630"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9630"><br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_9632">In particular, this is about this being round #2738 of rights holders and other speculative legal action trolls being distressed about not having information on tap they ordinarily need to follow due process for.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1419719404yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_10182">Australian network operators and the wider technology community need to learn what is actually a threat to the ability to operate networks and services over the top of them. Spam is not a threat. Anonymity is not a threat. Privacy is not a threat. Copyright trolls, the attorney general and the TLAs are threats. Wise up.</div>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:06 Mark ZZZ Smith <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14351"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14350">While I understand the desire for privacy, I'm not sure it is as much of an issue in this case as people might think it is.<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14352">I've had a number of domain names registered to me with this email address, my mobile number and my PO BOX(es) since 2002.<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435539520691_14353">I do receive quite a lot of spam to this email address, but then again I've been using it quite publicly for many years, including on a number of public mailing lists and in open source code that also gets published on web pages. So I can't attribute spam I've received specifically to my domains' whois information.<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr">I haven't had any issues with having my mobile number listed, and I've had the same mobile number since 1995. On very rare occasions I've received SMS spam, however I couldn't attribute that to my whois details. Neither have I had any issues listing my PO BOX - I can only think of a few pieces of mail I've received over the years that I definitely could attribute to being sent because of my whois information. I would recommend a PO BOX to hide where you actually live though, if you're going to publish your mailing address publicly (as I have done in a number of Internet Drafts).<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr">It is my understanding that the existing "privacy" service that registrars offer is achieved by them actually registering the domain name in their name, and then letting you use it i.e., it isn't actually your domain name, it is theirs. I think I read a while ago about a dispute between a customer and a registrar, where the registrar was in the wrong, but they wouldn't let the customer have the domain and the customer couldn't get the domain because it wasn't actually registered in their name. <br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr">Regards,</div>
<div dir="ltr">Mark.<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> Brad Peczka <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:brad@bradpeczka.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:brad@bradpeczka.com">brad@bradpeczka.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 25 June 2015, 15:39<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?<br clear="none"></div>
<div dir="ltr">At the behest of organisations such as MarkMonitor, ICANN is considering a policy change whereby domain holders with sites associated to "commercial activity" will no longer be able to protect their private information with WHOIS protection services. </div>
<div dir="ltr">The text of the proposal can be found on ICANN's website at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-initial-05may15-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-initial-05may15-en.pdf</a></div>
<div dir="ltr">Something worth noting is that the definition of 'Commercial Activity' appears to be quite wide, and will likely encompass a number of sole/small traders who operate under their own name, rather than a business. I personally feel that the auDA approach hits the happy medium - protecting a large amount of information from being publicly accessible, while still being able to see what entity is in control of a domain name.</div>
<div dir="ltr">If you're interested in commenting, the close date for submissions is 7th July... so get typing!</div>
<div dir="ltr">Regards,<br clear="none">
-Brad.<br clear="none">
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