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    I went all out and co-lo'd on Earth but in an alternate universe.
    The ping on a quantum router is great, but having to pay tax in
    multiple dimensions puts a strain on the budget.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/06/2015 1:33 PM, Harry Chan
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What
            about the latency? 10 light years? We’d be forever waiting
            for it to return the packets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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            Chan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Query
              Foundry</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> |
            Sydney, Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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            AusNOG [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On
              Behalf Of </b>Nick Gale<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 June 2015 3:32 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Chris Legg<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zettagrid Sydney Offline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I would have thought Andromeda would be
            better. Separate galaxy and all that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">------------------------------------------------<br>
                  <b><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nick
                      Gale</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          T:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> (08)
                        9425 5029</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">M: </span></b><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">0418
                        989 020<b> </b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">E:</span></b><span
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                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        P</span><span
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                        consider the environment before you print this
                        email.</span><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 24 June 2015 at 13:27, Chris Legg
              <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:cdlegg@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">cdlegg@iinet.net.au</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">The moon would be better than
                  nothing, but in reality when the Earth is destroyed
                  the moon probably won't be far behind it.<br>
                  Stop penny-pinching and get proper redundancy by
                  building a data centre on Alpha Centauri B!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/06/2015 1:09 PM, Shane
                        Short wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">What about on different
                        continents? There could be some kind of
                        catastrophic act of god that wipes out both
                        facilities? Oh.. separate hemispheres too, to
                        protect you against freak storm events..<br>
                        <br>
                        Maybe we should co-lo on the moon too, incase
                        there's some kind of catastrophic earth event..
                        but even then we still have single point of
                        flares (SPoF) to contend with.. mmm<br>
                        <br>
                        At some point you play the odds. How many times
                        has the aforementioned "global fuckup" happened?<br>
                        <br>
                        Paul Brooks wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/06/2015 2:25 PM,
                            Tim Raphael wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 24,
                                  2015 at 12:09 PM, Mark Newton <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org"
                                    target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    If you aren't provider-diverse, you
                                    aren't diverse.<br>
                                    <span style="color:#888888"><br>
                                        - mark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">And ideally
                                    location diverse too for the
                                    purposes of DR. The latency between
                                    Sydney and Melbourne for a lot of
                                    our customers is so negligible at
                                    the application layer that they buy
                                    two vDCs, one in each of our
                                    Availability Zones and connect them
                                    together via our MPLS services. Each
                                    zone in our case is completely
                                    independent at the infrastructure
                                    level.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          Are the zones monitored by independent NOCs,
                          and operated by completely diverse NOC
                          engineers so the same finger-fumble or
                          automated provisioning tool can't be applied
                          to configs in both locations?<br>
                          <br>
                          I've seen someone press 'commit' to a router
                          config script with a typo  that proceeded to
                          take down approx. 45 routers across
                          20-something countries. Each country was
                          completely independent at the infrastructure
                          level then, too.<br>
                          <br>
                          +1 What Mark said above. If your multiple
                          diverse services stem ultimately from the same
                          boardroom table, you aren't diverse.<br>
                          <br>
                          Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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