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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What about the latency? 10 light years? We’d be forever waiting for it to return the packets.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#888888;background:white'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Harry Chan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Query Foundry</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> | Sydney, Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Gale<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 June 2015 3:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Legg<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zettagrid Sydney Offline<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would have thought Andromeda would be better. Separate galaxy and all that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------------------------<br><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Nick Gale</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>T:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> (08) 9425 5029</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>M: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>0418 989 020<b> </b></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>E:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'><br>P</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'> Please consider the environment before you print this email.</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24 June 2015 at 13:27, Chris Legg <<a href="mailto:cdlegg@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">cdlegg@iinet.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>The moon would be better than nothing, but in reality when the Earth is destroyed the moon probably won't be far behind it.<br>Stop penny-pinching and get proper redundancy by building a data centre on Alpha Centauri B!<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/06/2015 1:09 PM, Shane Short wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>What about on different continents? There could be some kind of catastrophic act of god that wipes out both facilities? Oh.. separate hemispheres too, to protect you against freak storm events..<br><br>Maybe we should co-lo on the moon too, incase there's some kind of catastrophic earth event.. but even then we still have single point of flares (SPoF) to contend with.. mmm<br><br>At some point you play the odds. How many times has the aforementioned "global fuckup" happened?<br><br>Paul Brooks wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/06/2015 2:25 PM, Tim Raphael wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>If you aren't provider-diverse, you aren't diverse.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br> - mark</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And ideally location diverse too for the purposes of DR. The latency between Sydney and Melbourne for a lot of our customers is so negligible at the application layer that they buy two vDCs, one in each of our Availability Zones and connect them together via our MPLS services. Each zone in our case is completely independent at the infrastructure level.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>Are the zones monitored by independent NOCs, and operated by completely diverse NOC engineers so the same finger-fumble or automated provisioning tool can't be applied to configs in both locations?<br><br>I've seen someone press 'commit' to a router config script with a typo that proceeded to take down approx. 45 routers across 20-something countries. Each country was completely independent at the infrastructure level then, too.<br><br>+1 What Mark said above. If your multiple diverse services stem ultimately from the same boardroom table, you aren't diverse.<br><br>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>