<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Paul,<br></div>The point is, per 115A(2) which requires reasonableness, 115A(5e) which requires a proportionate response, and 115A(5i) which requires 115A to consider other remedies available under the rest of the Copyright Act, the question is, is it reasonable to switch off your access routers and go home? In my opinion, the only reasonable reasonable and proportionate remedy available is to terminate the user's service.<br><br></div>(I am not a lawyer. This is not legal opinion)<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 June 2015 at 17:59, Paul Brooks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au" target="_blank">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I haven't read the Copyright Act 1968 in its entirety
(and perhaps I should), but it looks like (ianal), legal
remedies are as:<br>
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<div style="margin-left:40px">116AG (3) For an
infringement of copyright that
occurs in the course of the carrying out of a Category A
activity, the relief
that a court may grant against a carriage service provider
is limited to one or
more of the following orders:
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(a) an order requiring the carriage service
provider to take reasonable steps to disable access to an
online location
outside Australia;</p>
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(b) an order requiring the carriage
service provider to terminate a specified account.</p>
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I doubt on the strength of that, courts will go further than
orders to terminate specific accounts. What's a bit sneaky, is
the courts may rely on data retention records in identifying
infringing accounts.<br>
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Huh? <br>
This has nothing to do with infringing accounts or terminating
users.<br>
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A copyright holder goes to the courts and says 'I found this website
on these pages is hosting my movie that I hold the copyright for.
The site clearly has its primary purpose to facilitate infringement
of copyright. Please issue an injunction to all the ISPs to have the
site blocked under Section 115A of the Copyright Act please'.<br>
<br>
You and all our colleagues on and off this list get the court
injunction requiring you to block access to that/those websites for
all your customers. No user identified, no account to terminate.<br>
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They may be preparing the submission to the courts to have
100/200/300+ sites blocked as we speak.<br>
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If your only capability to comply to block access to those hundreds
of sites is to switch off your access routers and go home, it might
be an issue to ponder on and plan for a better alternative.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 June 2015 at 15:05, Will Dowling
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:will@autodeist.com" target="_blank">will@autodeist.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>> However, if *you* are the first test case,
how do you plan to show to the court what you interpreted
as reasonable, and how you tried to use reasonable means?
The court order won't tell you what 'reasonable' might
mean, or what measures might be considered unreasonable.
The content organisation that asked for the injunction
certainly won't tell you.<br>
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</span>I’m more than certain the rights holders will be
lining up to tell you what they think is “reasonable”.<br>
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Which brings us back to who has the burden for establishing
it… likely it will be the courts until precedent is set.<br>
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Will Dowling<br>
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E: <a href="mailto:will@autodeist.com" target="_blank">will@autodeist.com</a><br>
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