<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On 16 Jun 2015, at 9:19 am, Noel Butler <<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" class="">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Then George I suspect there are a lot of people here are in fact misinformed.</span><br class=""></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yep.</div></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt" class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">To make it clearer since you clearly aint ever gunna take my word for it, this is my original reply from the Communication Access Coordinator for our web hosting regardless of "relevant service" for SP's, if you offer email you bound by it.</span></p><p class="">I<strong class="">n Web hosting there are two services we treat as separate</strong></p><p class=""><strong class="">The first service is the server hosting. <font color="#e32400" class="">Assuming that you are carrier, carriage service or </font></strong><font color="#e32400" class=""><br class=""></font><strong class=""><font color="#e32400" class="">internet service provider</font>, this service is a ‘relevant service’.</strong></p><p class=""><strong class="">This means that the service has data retention obligations unless there is a valid exclusion. </strong></p></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>So, assuming you have a HTML capable email client, you’ll see that I’ve highlighted a bit of your quote in red.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The entirety of the data retention obligation applies to carriers and carriage service providers. An Internet Service Provider is a form of a carriage service provider.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you are not a carrier (with a carrier license issued by ACMA), and you are not a carriage service provider (as defined by the Telecommunications Act), <i class="">then you have no data retention obligation.</i></div><div><br class=""></div><div>AGD can prattle on about whatever they like, but they aren’t in charge, the legislation is. And, <i style="font-weight: bold;" class="">as you have described in your own text above,</i> the legislation only applies to carriers and carriage service providers.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt" class=""><p class=""><strong class="">The second service is the email service. While you offer this service as a product in combination </strong><br class=""><strong class="">with web hosting, we consider the two as separate services for the purpose of data retention. The email </strong><br class=""><strong class="">service also has data retention obligations.</strong></p></div></blockquote>… only if you are a Carrier or a Carriage Service Provider. If you aren’t, then literally nothing whatsoever that you do has any data retention obligations.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m not sure why anyone would want to magic-up an obligation to comply with the data retention legislation when they don’t have to. In this thread you appear to have managed to get pretty worked up about people telling you that you have an easier life than you think you have. Chill out, relax, and please, for the love of god, if you are not a carrier or carriage service provider, <i class="">ignore everything AGD says to you. </i>They shouldn’t even be talking to you, and you certainly don’t have to listen to them.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt" class=""><p class="">Now as for the first, I believe I already pointed out why webhosts are regarded as service providers.</p></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The Government calls them service providers because they provide a service.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The Government does not call them Carriage Service Providers, because they aren’t.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Because they aren’t Carriers or Carriage Service Providers, nothing about the data retention legislation applies to them.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt" class=""><p class="">Dont waste your time flaming or arguing with me either, argue with the AG Dept since that is there determination that you ARE required to comply.</p></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I’m not going to argue with AGD because I’m not a carrier or carriage service provider, so I get to ignore them. As should you.</div><div><br class=""></div><div> - mark</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>