<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052">In an attempt to bring this back on topic (somewhat), do we think that the new meta-data laws being enacted in AU would prevent an Australian from setting up or participating in this kind of activity (ie. Silk Road v2) or was the whole thing encrypted & secure from prying metadata eyes ?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052">From what I know, the thing used TOR and so all that metadata would show was an encrypted session to the next TOR hop ?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052">All I can think is that metadata laws might flag potential users of TOR (and other security/anonymity protocols) to the spooks as targets of suspicion and so be followed up by other less techincal methods.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052">The Ulbricht case also illustrates the way security often fails, through L8 issues, often not due to technical ones.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052">Also interesting is that (at least according to wikipedia) TOR was created and continues to be developed by US intelligence and the project receives 80% of it's $2m funding from the US govt.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635052"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_635054"><br></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_634975"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_634974"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_634973"> </div><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431907079985_634976"><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>