<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235839"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235841">Hi again,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235837"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235835"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235834">I had lots of responses from lots of people on this topic and I'd like to thank everyone for their feedback, discussion and suggestions.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235832"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235830"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235829">The percentage of traffic that various people reported to me as peering traffic are:</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235726"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">~50%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">>50%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">>50%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">>70%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">>40%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">46-65%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">60-70%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">80%</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235728" class="" style="">>40%</div><div dir="ltr" class="" style="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235828"><br class="" style=""></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724">As a quick glance will tell you, the lowest figure reported to me was 40%, which I think is a great sign and shows that just about everyone should be peering when you can (which we all know anyway) !</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724">I did question the one at 80% and the reply was that they service a market accessing specific cloud-hosted content, which is primarily accessed via peering links.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724">Thanks again for all the replies.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724">regards,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724">Tony.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235724"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235708"><span><br></span></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235693"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235692"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235691"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235818"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235690"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tony <td_miles@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "ausnog@ausnog.net" <ausnog@ausnog.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 11 May 2015, 22:32<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> peering questions<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1431085549483_235694"><br>Hi all,<br><br>I have some questions regarding peering that I'm hoping the helpful folk on the list might be able to assist me with. Our current position might best be summed up in dot points:<br>- sub-gig transit from two providers<br>- own AS<br>- own IP allocation (/20)<br>- no peering<br>- renegotiating transit agreements<br><br>I know the theories of peering, but not so well versed in the practical side of it. My main question is in regard to how much inbound traffic we might shift to peering (and so by how much we can reduce transit requirements). At this stage I'm focusing on NSW-IX as a good place to start (they have public LG, which helps analysis). I've run nfdump/nfsen on our inbound traffic and stats by AS (% of inbound total) looks something like this (it's hopefully a fixed width table, but who knows how it will format, apologies in advance):<br><br>AS AS_Name % <br>15169 Google 14.4 *<br>1221 Telstra 13.2 <br>20940 Akamai 11.5 *<br>8075 Microsoft 6.1 *<br>6461 AboveNet 5.9 <br>16509 Amazon 5.4 *<br>2764 AAPT 4.6 <br>15133 Edgecast 2.2 * <br>7474 Optus 2.1 <br>32934 Facebook 1.8 *?<br>16625 Akamai 1.3 *?<br>6185 Apple 1.2<br>4804 Microplex 1.2 <br>45333 RP Data 1.1 <br>14618 Amazon 1.1<br>2906 Netflix 1.0 *<br><br>The 2nd entry of Telstra was a bit strange, so I dug into a bit more and found that about two thirds of the traffic from this AS was coming from a few sources (61.9.193.0/24, 23.205.115.0/24, 60.254.143.0/24 & 72.247.223.0/24) which all resolve to essentially being "Akamai".<br><br>I can look up the above AS and determine who is on NSW-IX, but as per a recent post to the list, I don't know if that AS is going to be advertising all of the subnets that I am receiving traffic from on the IX and I also don't know that they are going to prefer the IX over transit arrangements (although I hope they are).<br><br>So from the above, how much do you think is realistic to be able to expect to get from the IX ?<br><br>I've put an * next to the ones I might think that I would receive traffic from the IX instead of transit. I would also hope that Akamai would start to prefer our users to access a cluster connected via IX, rather than the Telstra one that must be seen as "closest" right now. This would also add perhaps another 8-9%.<br><br>Adding it all up, I get an optimistic number of perhaps 40-50%.<br><br>Is this realistic ? I've spoken to someone else I know in the industry and they've said they get about half their traffic form peering and half from transit. The above numbers I'm seeing tend to suggest this could be true. The very big unknown is what prefixes from the above AS I would get via peering and which would come via transit instead. Do I need to repeat the exercise but instead of sorting inbound traffic by AS, instead sort it by prefixes and then look to see if those prefixes are advertised on the IX ? This of course doesn't guarantee reciprocity, but is about as close as I can get ?<br><br>If people would like to share their transit/peering percentages that'd be great (off-list is fine too & I can summarise/average back to list).<br> <br>Thanks for reading and I hope I'm not asking too many noob questions.<br><br><br>regards,<br>Tony.<br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>