<div dir="ltr"><div>Just be sure as you don't invest too much in a switch that's going to be replaced in short order. While you're at < 1k IOPs, most anything will work, to a point. Jumbo frames is the main thing. When the time comes you want to run SSD or multiple arrays, you'll need a DCB switch, with the price tag that entails. So create the expectation with the client now that this is an interim solution, until you have the necessary budget.<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2015 at 18:28, Paul S. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:contact@winterei.se" target="_blank">contact@winterei.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>How about Dell (Force10) S4810-{S|P}?<br>
      <br>
      As long as you need layer 2 only, they're alright -- granted, they
      aren't optimized for storage networks, or anything.<br>
      <br>
      Can be sourced pretty cheap in Ebay [0], I know of people using
      them without any issues for 10g layer 2 switching.<br>
      <br>
      (They do support l3 too, actually -- but supposedly, this is not
      up to par.)<br>
      <br>
      0:
<a href="http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XS4810P.TRS0&_nkw=S4810P&_sacat=0" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XS4810P.TRS0&_nkw=S4810P&_sacat=0</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 4/20/2015 午後 05:16, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">In a word, no.
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        <div>Unless you have Enterprise Plus (which is the
          wallet-emptying version of vSphere), then there's no support
          for aggregation/bonding, particularly for iSCSI.</div>
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        <div>The best thing to do is set up a number virtual port groups
          with one active physical NIC each (the other pNICs on the
          vSwitch must be disabled entirely in the port group), assign
          an IP to each of them (you create them as a vKernel port
          group, not a Virtual machine port group, and then bind each of
          them to the software iSCSI adapter.  This gives you good
          multipathing - most storage vendors then support round-robin
          as the method of load-balancing across the ports.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2015 at 13:11, Kristoffer
          Sheather @ CloudCentral <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>I'm not that familiar with vSphere as we don't use it
                for exactly those reasons (dear as po$ion).  But
                couldn't you configure MLAG on the Arista then use a
                bonding mode other than LACP on the ESXi hosts?</div>
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                <div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:#000000"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial">Regards,<br>
                      Kristoffer Sheather</span></span></div>
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              <div><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>:
                  "Mark Currie" <<a href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au" target="_blank">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>><br>
                  <b>Sent</b>: Monday, April 20, 2015 1:03 PM<br>
                  <b>To</b>: "<a href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a>>,
                  "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@theispguy.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a>>,
                  "Josh Tipping" <<a href="mailto:josh.tipping@icita.co" target="_blank">josh.tipping@icita.co</a><br>
                  <b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
                  <b>Subject</b>: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Cheapest half
                  decent 10Gbps switch (for iSCSI only)</span>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                          can vouch for the Arista, we have them running
                          in the core @ one of our clients, running
                          multiple 10Gb LACP trunks (NFS not iSCSI)
                          against a NetApp 3250 backend, and they don’t
                          miss a beat…. Mind you if you are using VMware
                          and want to utilize LACP you must have
                          Enterprise PLUS vSphere licenses which cost as
                          much as a house block (nearly).</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mark
                          Currie</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @
                          CloudCentral<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 20 April 2015 12:54 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; Josh Tipping<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Cheapest half
                          decent 10Gbps switch (for iSCSI only)</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Suggest
                            starting here;</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://docs.cumulusnetworks.com/display/HardwareGuides/10G+Hardware+Quick+Reference+Guide" target="_blank">http://docs.cumulusnetworks.com/display/HardwareGuides/10G+Hardware+Quick+Reference+Guide</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Edge-Core
                            AS5610-52X ( with ONIE)</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.edge-core.com/ProdDtl.asp?sno=436&AS5610-52X" target="_blank">http://www.edge-core.com/ProdDtl.asp?sno=436&AS5610-52X</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Edge <a href="http://www.edge-core.com/temp/ec_download/1174/AS5610-52X%20ONIE%20DS%20R01.pdf" target="_blank">AS5610-52X ONIE DS R01.pdf</a> datasheet</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">QuantaMesh
                            BMS T3048-LY2R (with ONIE)</span></p>
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                                T3048-LY2R</a> datasheet</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Packet
                              Buffer 9MB shared</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.arista.com/en/products/7050-series" target="_blank">http://www.arista.com/en/products/7050-series</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Arista <a href="http://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050S_Datasheet.pdf" target="_blank">7050S Datasheet</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Arista
                            punts 10/40 GbE juice-sipper:  <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28/arista_7050s_7124sx_switches/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28/arista_7050s_7124sx_switches/</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Buffer 9MB</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As
                            per the Cumulus Linux and The Register
                            you'll note that all three switches share
                            the Broadcom "Trident+" merchant silicon. 
                            The only difference is the Network OS.  In
                            the case of Cumulus Linux its been around
                            quite a while now so should be mature.</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Regards,<br>
                              Kristoffer Sheather</span><br>
                            <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
                            "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Sent</b>: Monday, April 20, 2015 12:39 PM<br>
                            <b>To</b>: "Josh Tipping" <<a href="mailto:josh.tipping@icita.com" target="_blank">josh.tipping@icita.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
                            <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Cheapest half
                            decent 10Gbps switch (for iSCSI only)</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
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                                      <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">...Skeeve</span></p>
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                                      <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">--</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Skeeve
                                        Stevens - </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
                                        ISP Guy</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">On
                                Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Josh
                                Tipping <<a href="mailto:josh.tipping@icita.com" target="_blank">josh.tipping@icita.com</a>>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                                    can give you pricing and info on
                                    some Huawei switching options if you
                                    like (disclose: we are a disty).
                                    Nothing down near the netgear stuff
                                    however, but you’d be looking at
                                    24x10GE @ wire speed well under half
                                    the cost of the cisco/juniper
                                    options you’ve mentioned. Contact me
                                    off list if you are interested.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers,</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Josh
                                      Tipping</span></b><br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
                                    Cunningham<br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 19 April 2015
                                    12:48 PM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Cheapest
                                    half decent 10Gbps switch (for iSCSI
                                    only)</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Guys,</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Not sure if
                                      this is the correct place to ask
                                      this question, so apologies in
                                      advance - but since most people
                                      here run high speed storage
                                      networks it is probably relevant.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Can I have some
                                      recommendations for low end, cost
                                      effective, 10Gbps switches (for
                                      iSCSI use)?</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Only need
                                      around 8-10 ports per switch, and
                                      all the switches I'm looking at
                                      from the likes of Cisco and
                                      Juniper are around $20k-$30k a
                                      switch - seems pretty extreme
                                      really. I'm looking at deploying 2
                                      x 10Gbps iSCSI switches for a
                                      client for a small VMware project,
                                      and am looking for suitable
                                      switches.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Looking for
                                      suggestions for a half decent
                                      switch to use here - doesn't have
                                      to be top of the line with heaps
                                      of features, just something very
                                      basic, as long as it's 10Gbps and
                                      has at least 8 ports.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Looking at the
                                      Netgear XS712T, these are around
                                      the $2k mark, which is in the
                                      ballpark of what I need. Looked at
                                      the Netgear XSM7224 and
                                      DELL N4032, but these are around
                                      the $5k mark per switch (but
                                      granted 24 ports with dual power
                                      supplies)</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Suggestions
                                      anyone?</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">James</p>
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