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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>("free" uploads aren't either - if they were, you'd rotate your routers 180 degrees so that you get free downloads.)”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>That’s definitely going to get requoted :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark ZZZ Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Newton; Richard Thornton<br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Attempting to understand DC internet connectivity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7705"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>And neither is the staff to operate it, the support contracts, the rack space, the electricity, or the cross connects.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7742"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7744"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The "free peering" from the broadband past was not because peering was free.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7745"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7746"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>("free" uploads aren't either - if they were, you'd rotate your routers 180 degrees so that you get free downloads.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7747"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7750"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7749"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7748"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Richard Thornton <<a href="mailto:richie.thornton@gmail.com">richie.thornton@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> "<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 April 2015, 17:21<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Attempting to understand DC internet connectivity</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7752"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv7454607393><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7753"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 14 Apr 2015, at 5:11 pm, Richard Thornton <<a href="mailto:richie.thornton@gmail.com" target="_blank">richie.thornton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7755"><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7757"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7756"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for clarifying that, I didn't even consider that they had to pay for peering per mbit!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Everything costs something. Even if it’s not charged by the megabit, owning and upgrading a half-million dollar peering router still ain’t free.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv7454607393yqtfd27686><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7758"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7759"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> - mark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7760"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7761"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yqtfd40398><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7762">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429063707432_7763">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>