<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38724" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38772">So going by your blog bio, it seems you're a system operator/admin not a network operator.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38724" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38724" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38984">If you haven't been a network operator, then I don't think you would have an appreciation of the costs, options and considerations when building and running a network supporting 1000s, 10 of 1000s or 100 of 1000s of customers.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38724" dir="ltr"><br></div><br> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38776"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38775"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38774"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38787"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38986"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Noel Butler <noel.butler@ausics.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Russell Langton <russell3901@gmail.com>; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 1 April 2015, 22:35<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv6<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38987"><br><div id="yiv6045644354"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38989">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38988">Ohh now come the personal attacks because wah wahhh wahhhhh you dont like a few truths, tuff shit.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_39049">and BTW there are a number of people on the list who know who I have worked for.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38990">The fact remains I showed a real world situation if I want to beat my chest about it and nit pick like you and Scott have sure lets rig it, I'll sit on youtube and do nothing else, there you go 100% IPv6 ... FFS open your eyes to realities, not dreams and desires.</div>
<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6045644354yqt2199036533" id="yiv6045644354yqtfd84158"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38993">On 31/03/2015 11:20, Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv6045644354pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427926917746_38991">I'm starting to suspect you don't or haven't worked for an ISP (and this list is primarily about ISPs, not individual home users, so ISP scenarios are always the underlying context). In that case, you won't have either the problems or will see the benefits of dealing with things at ISP level scale.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> The effect of one customer becoming IPv6 enabled won't be significant when it comes to buying CGN capacity. The effects become significant when 1000s or 10s of 1000s of customers use IPv6 instead of CGN'd IPv4. This is because traffic volumes are in the Gbps or 10s of Gbps, and IPv6 forwarding is much simpler and therefore will be far cheaper than trying to perform NAT functions on the equivalent multi-gigabit volumes of IPv4 traffic. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> _</div>
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