<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706">Well I'm afraid it sounds to me like you're screwed.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706">Increased usage of TLS/HTTPs and encryption in general is going to prevent this TCP acceleration from working, so you won't be able to avoid having to lower customers performance expectations.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706">You're going to have to buy larger amounts of IPv4 CGN capacity because you can't shift any traffic to IPv6, bypassing the CGN.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706">You'll also have to start advertising your services as "IPv4 only Internet" because the implication of the term "Internet service" without qualification is going to become both IPv4 and IPv6.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3706">Surely your website and mail servers aren't behind an NBNco IPv4 only satellite, and could be IPv6 enabled?<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3705"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3704"><br></div> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3467"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3466"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3465"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_4050"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3464"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <terry+AusNOG@skymesh.net.au><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 30 March 2015, 11:52<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv6<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3569"><br><div id="yiv7775929972"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427677607285_3570">
<div id="yiv7775929972smartTemplate4-template">Hi Mark,<br clear="none">
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it's not that simple to fix -- with *NO* ipv6 tcp acceleration in
the equipment putting ipv6 into a tunnel or some other solution
just causes major issues anyway.<br clear="none">
<br>Try explaining to an ordinary householder on satellite internet
that broadband on ipv6 is now 700k and not 6M or the planned 25M
on NBN LTS.<br></div>
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(Yes, I'm experimenting with TCP based OpenVPN ideas.)<br clear="none">
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<div style="background-color:#DDDDDD;font-size:10pt;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="<a>markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>" ymailto="mailto:%3Ca%3Emarkzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au%3C/a%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:%3Ca%3Emarkzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au%3C/a%3E" title-off="">Mark
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 30, 2015 10:41AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="<a>terry@skymesh.net.au</a>, <a>ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" ymailto="mailto:%3Ca%3Eterry@skymesh.net.au%3C/a%3E,%20%3Ca%3Eausnog@lists.ausnog.net%3C/a%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:%3Ca%3Eterry@skymesh.net.au%3C/a%3E,%20%3Ca%3Eausnog@lists.ausnog.net%3C/a%3E" title-off="">Terrence
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<pre>So it sounds like you're going to wait until every system and service you have can support IPv6 before you spend any time on IPv6 at all. Is that the case?
If it is, you're really putting yourself at a disadvantage, as you'll be far behind everybody else.
You don't have to have native IPv6 to the customer to be able to provide IPv6 to them, 6rd (a more managed variant of 6to4) can be used to provide IPv6 access over an IPv4 access link (and was very successfully used by Free in France)
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7775929972moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_rapid_deployment">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_rapid_deployment</a>
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From: Terry Sweetser <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7775929972moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:terry+AusNOG@skymesh.net.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:terry+AusNOG@skymesh.net.au"><terry+AusNOG@skymesh.net.au></a>
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Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2015, 19:38
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv6
Well, some of us are still stuck on systems that will not support native
ipv6, I even have NBNCo unable to tell me for certain if TCP6 will be
accelerated on Long Term Sat.
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