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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The fun thing is that most consumers/customers won’t know thus won’t demand it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I say deploy IPv6 by stealth and set every new CPE to be dual stack. All OS now support IPv6 by default. It really needs to be the ISP that leads this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michael Gehrmann<br>
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Macquarie Telecom</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Damien Gardner Jnr; Mark Andrews<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; Kristoffer Sheather<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">When it is needed every ISP under the sun that wants customers will be doing it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thats the commercial and actual reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">: "Damien Gardner Jnr" <<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Mark Andrews" <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>, "Kristoffer Sheather" <<a href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">It's that 'for every customer that has a IPv6 capable CPE device' that's the problem. How many Aussie ISP's are actually doing V6 for customers? I have (almost) every service
on my network dual-stacked (one shared-hosting server is yet to be done), and 2% of my total bandwidth volume is v6. Would be curious to hear what others are seeing :)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">On 26 March 2015 at 10:11, Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:
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In message <<a href="mailto:41e778700a994314857ad4504f252419@cloudcentral.com.au">41e778700a994314857ad4504f252419@cloudcentral.com.au</a>>, "Kristoffer Sheather @ C<br>
loudCentral" writes:<br>
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> IPv6 won't go anywhere until IPv4 doesn't work anymore. That day is not<br>
> today despite the numerous arguments and flames I expect to receive<br>
> subsequent to this message.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> Kristoffer Sheather<br>
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If you turn on IPv6 +50% of your traffic will shift to IPv6 immediately<br>
for every customer that has a IPv6 capable CPE device. This is<br>
*not* IPv6 going nowhere.<br>
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The content providers are going IPv6-only internally translating<br>
IPv4 to IPv6.<br>
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If you ship CPE router make sure they are IPv6 capable.<br>
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If you do not ship CPE routers provide a list of IPv6 capable routers<br>
you are happy with. IPv6 routers can be got for < $100 AUD.<br>
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<span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:#888888">--</span></span><span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Mark Andrews, ISC</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">PHONE: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209871%204742">+61 2 9871 4742</a> INTERNET:
<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a></span></span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust<br>
<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a> - <a href="http://www.rendrag.net/" target="_blank">http://www.rendrag.net/</a><br>
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We rode on the winds of the rising storm,<br>
We ran to the sounds of thunder.<br>
We danced among the lightning bolts,<br>
and tore the world asunder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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