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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Paul, that’s a good reply, appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I suppose the scope I am looking at with this is two private companies who want a link between them via us, one a manufacturing company, the other a distributor, they are separate entities to us, and they will be passing their own private data across that link, basically we won’t be providing any data as such just the medium to connect them together, so just trying to understand what our requirements may be in the future regarding this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We still provide other typical ISP services to other customers and I realise that the normal rules will apply there but just interested in how a link like this might fit the new rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I am thinking that from a data retention perspective we don’t need to do anything as we aren’t providing any “services” such as voice, email or Internet, but I would imagine that we would still have to satisfy interception requirements as a licensed carrier.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Paul Brooks [mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 25 March 2015 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> paul@oxygennetworks.com.au<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Peering Providers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/03/2015 11:46 PM, Paul Julian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Question to the knowledgeable….<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is a business which does only peering between service providers classed as a service provider themselves ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In other words if you are only passing data between one entity and another, and you don’t provide any services except for the connectivity to pass that data would that still classify you as a service provider ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I suppose an example would be a peering company like Megaport (just an example), if they are just passing data through from people to other people without doing anything with that data or providing any services like email of website hosting etc, are they are service provider ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry if it’s a stupid question but I am curious.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Its not a stupid question - but if you need to know for a compliance/legal/money reason where the cost of getting it wrong is higher than the cost of asking a lawyer, you should consult a real lawyer.<br>In your example, the peering company is renting out the port and the capability for passing traffic through, so they are providing services - however they aren't 'carriage services'.<br><br>You didn't say if the other service providers are customers or suppliers of yours - who is the 'supplier' matters.<br><br>If you 're happy to interpret it yourself, check out <br><br><a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s87.html">http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s87.html</a><br><br>note 'public' includes any individual or organisation not within your own organisation or immediate-circle - including other arms-length service providers.<br><br>If you aren't providing any of the links (carriage services) between your premises and your (other service providers) premises - i.e. they are bringing their own links - then you might not be a carriage service provider.<br><br><br>P.<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>