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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Paul,<br>
Im sure that will work fine for the big guys. But as there is a
written agreement (code for secret agreement) It's unlikely we
will ever know how much each of us will get. Im still betting on
Zero. Im sure just all the work it will take to get $1 will add up
to more then the costs of implementing the proposed retention
system for most small CSP's<br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
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On 24/03/2015 10:27 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">187KB Commonwealth must make a grant of
financial assistance to service providers <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(1) The Commonwealth must make a grant of
financial assistance to a service provider for the purpose of
assisting the service provider to comply with the additional
costs that service provider’s incur in complying with the
service provider’s obligations under this Part. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(2) The terms and conditions on which that
financial assistance is granted are to be set out in a written
agreement between the Commonwealth and the service provider. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(3) An agreement under subsection (2) may
be entered into on behalf of the Commonwealth by the Minister.
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<p class="MsoNormal">[costs must be paid]<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 24 March 2015 10:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs
letter to Ministers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ha,<br>
If we see one cent I would be very surprised . The money
they are talking about im sure is all earmarked for
regulation and enforcement of the new regime. As well as
education inside government for access seekers as to what
info they can get. <br>
<br>
Oh not to forget the TV Ad campaign telling the public why
we need it. <br>
<br>
Wasn't this government committed to slashing read tape. I
guess just another lie. <br>
<br>
If we see one cent in compensation other then the normal tax
deductions I will dance naked on a table at the next IXAU
drinks. - Come to think of it that's not much of a threat -
disregard my last. <br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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On 24/03/2015 10:16 pm, Mark Newton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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tonight in the Senate. He says it's cabinet-in-confidence,
and a matter for the budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They're going to wing it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 Mar 2015, at 10:10 pm, Russell
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<p class="MsoNormal">/Apologies if this is general
knowledge, but havn't seen anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Following the previous industry
letter, is there any confirmation about the
breakdown in costs of who will pay?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
Geordie Guy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The bill will pass tonight. Much, much too little,
much, much too late.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>With any luck someone will pass an ammendment to
cover the costs of AusNOG subscribers ordering new
business cards with "Government Storage
Administrator" as the title.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Well done guys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/03/2015 7:47 PM,
"Shane Chrisp" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Thought this may be of interest to those
who have not seen it.<br>
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Regards<br>
Shane<o:p></o:p></p>
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Shane – <br>
<br>
It's happening. The Government's data
retention scheme looks set to pass the
Senate tonight, with Labor's support. If
this happens, it's a terrible outcome
for Australians, and the media and
whistleblowers who keep us informed. <br>
<br>
This scheme is rushed, costly,
ineffective, and against the public
interest. A lazy amendment from the ALP
- purportedly to prevent this dodgy data
bill from having a freezing effect on
the media - has as many holes in it as a
slice of Swiss cheese. It leaves
journalists and whistleblowers largely
unprotected,<sup>1</sup> and will see
every one of us treated as a potential
suspect. Essentially, it punishes the
wrong people. But as the Government and
Labor team up to rush the legislation
through the Senate, we have a way of
getting their attention by illustrating
just how problematic this bill really
is. <br>
<br>
<b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
target="_blank">Can you join us in
'going dark' against data retention
tomorrow to protest the Government's
dangerous and ineffective scheme?</a></b>
<br>
<br>
The message we're sending is clear. In
its haste to rush these broad sweeping
laws, <b>the Government's costly scheme
has targeted all of us while ignoring
just how easy it is to circumvent data
retention.</b> The truth is, anyone
who wants to protect their privacy (yes,
this includes people with something to
hide) has a huge range of perfectly
legal options to do so, including simply
avoiding Australian service providers.
Now that's just bad for business! <br>
<br>
The impact of this is that Australians
familiar with technology will easily be
able to protect their data, while those
that aren't as comfortable with newer
technology will bear the brunt of the
risks associated with data retention. <br>
<br>
<b>Across Australia tomorrow, citizens
will be showing the government and
Labor that this law will be another
costly white elephant that doesn't
make us any safer.</b> <br>
<br>
<b>Click here to sign up and learn how
to go dark: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
target="_blank">http://www.getup.org.au/dark</a></b>
<br>
<br>
Alycia, for the GetUp team. <br>
<br>
PS: If you've just got a moment, <b><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cdn.getup.org.au/991-PROF-PIC-%281%29-%281%29.jpg?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
target="_blank">change your Facebook
and Twitter profile picture to this
image to help spread the word.</a></b>
<br>
<br>
PPS: Even the Government's
Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull
understands how important metadata is
and how easy it is to avoid scrutiny. He
has fessed up to using an instant
messaging app which avoids retention,
and joked last year that private
networks (VPNs) could be used to
circumvent data retention laws. By
contrast, our Prime Minister recalls
never being that worried about metadata
back when he was a journalist in the
1980's... at a time that pre-dated
widespread internet and mobile phone
use.<sup>2</sup> Go figure! <br>
<br>
<i>References</i> <br>
<br>
[1] Data retention plan amended for
journalists, but is it enough? The
Conversation, 20th March 2015. <br>
[2] Data retention: Journalists' union
labels Tony Abbott's defence of metadata
protections 'ludicrous', ABC News,
Wednesday 18th March 2015.<o:p></o:p></p>
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