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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Paul,<br>
       Im sure that will work fine for the big guys. But as there is a
      written agreement (code for secret agreement) It's unlikely we
      will ever know how much each of us will get. Im still betting on
      Zero. Im sure just all the work it will take to get $1 will add up
      to more then the costs of implementing the proposed retention
      system for most small CSP's<br>
       <br>
      Matt.<br>
      <br>
      On 24/03/2015 10:27 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Directly
            from the amendments Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">187KB Commonwealth must make a grant of
          financial assistance to service providers <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">(1) The Commonwealth must make a grant of
          financial assistance to a service provider for the purpose of
          assisting the service provider to comply with the additional
          costs that service provider’s incur in complying with the
          service provider’s obligations under this Part. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">(2) The terms and conditions on which that
          financial assistance is granted are to be set out in a written
          agreement between the Commonwealth and the service provider. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">(3) An agreement under subsection (2) may
          be entered into on behalf of the Commonwealth by the Minister.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">[costs must be paid]<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 24 March 2015 10:24 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs
                letter to Ministers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Ha,<br>
             If we see one cent I would be very surprised . The money
            they are talking about im sure is all earmarked for
            regulation and enforcement   of the new regime.  As well as
            education inside government for access seekers as to what
            info they can get. <br>
            <br>
            Oh not to forget the TV Ad campaign telling the public why
            we need it. <br>
            <br>
            Wasn't this government committed to slashing read tape. I
            guess just another lie. <br>
            <br>
            If we see one cent in compensation other then the normal tax
            deductions I will dance naked on a table at the next IXAU
            drinks. - Come to think of it that's not much of a threat -
            disregard my last. <br>
            <br>
            Matt<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 24/03/2015 10:16 pm, Mark Newton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">No. Brandis was asked about that
              tonight in the Senate. He says it's cabinet-in-confidence,
              and a matter for the budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">They're going to wing it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">   - mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 24 Mar 2015, at 10:10 pm, Russell
                Langton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:russell3901@gmail.com">russell3901@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
                    All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">/Apologies if this is general
                  knowledge, but havn't seen anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Following the previous industry
                      letter, is there any confirmation about the
                      breakdown in costs of who will pay?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
                    Geordie Guy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>The bill will pass tonight. Much, much too little,
                    much, much too late.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>With any luck someone will pass an ammendment to
                    cover the costs of AusNOG subscribers ordering new
                    business cards with "Government Storage
                    Administrator" as the title.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Well done guys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/03/2015 7:47 PM,
                          "Shane Chrisp" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:shane@2000cn.com.au"
                            target="_blank">shane@2000cn.com.au</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              Thought this may be of interest to those
                              who have not seen it.<br>
                              <br>
                              Regards<br>
                              Shane<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                  target="_blank"><span
                                    style="text-decoration:none"><img
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      id="_x0000_i1025"
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                                      alt="Go dark" border="0"></span></a><br>
                                <br>
                                Shane – <br>
                                <br>
                                It's happening. The Government's data
                                retention scheme looks set to pass the
                                Senate tonight, with Labor's support. If
                                this happens, it's a terrible outcome
                                for Australians, and the media and
                                whistleblowers who keep us informed. <br>
                                <br>
                                This scheme is rushed, costly,
                                ineffective, and against the public
                                interest. A lazy amendment from the ALP
                                - purportedly to prevent this dodgy data
                                bill from having a freezing effect on
                                the media - has as many holes in it as a
                                slice of Swiss cheese. It leaves
                                journalists and whistleblowers largely
                                unprotected,<sup>1</sup> and will see
                                every one of us treated as a potential
                                suspect. Essentially, it punishes the
                                wrong people. But as the Government and
                                Labor team up to rush the legislation
                                through the Senate, we have a way of
                                getting their attention by illustrating
                                just how problematic this bill really
                                is. <br>
                                <br>
                                <b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                    target="_blank">Can you join us in
                                    'going dark' against data retention
                                    tomorrow to protest the Government's
                                    dangerous and ineffective scheme?</a></b>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                The message we're sending is clear. In
                                its haste to rush these broad sweeping
                                laws, <b>the Government's costly scheme
                                  has targeted all of us while ignoring
                                  just how easy it is to circumvent data
                                  retention.</b> The truth is, anyone
                                who wants to protect their privacy (yes,
                                this includes people with something to
                                hide) has a huge range of perfectly
                                legal options to do so, including simply
                                avoiding Australian service providers.
                                Now that's just bad for business! <br>
                                <br>
                                The impact of this is that Australians
                                familiar with technology will easily be
                                able to protect their data, while those
                                that aren't as comfortable with newer
                                technology will bear the brunt of the
                                risks associated with data retention. <br>
                                <br>
                                <b>Across Australia tomorrow, citizens
                                  will be showing the government and
                                  Labor that this law will be another
                                  costly white elephant that doesn't
                                  make us any safer.</b> <br>
                                <br>
                                <b>Click here to sign up and learn how
                                  to go dark: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.getup.org.au/dark</a></b>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Alycia, for the GetUp team. <br>
                                <br>
                                PS: If you've just got a moment, <b><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cdn.getup.org.au/991-PROF-PIC-%281%29-%281%29.jpg?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                    target="_blank">change your Facebook
                                    and Twitter profile picture to this
                                    image to help spread the word.</a></b>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                PPS: Even the Government's
                                Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull
                                understands how important metadata is
                                and how easy it is to avoid scrutiny. He
                                has fessed up to using an instant
                                messaging app which avoids retention,
                                and joked last year that private
                                networks (VPNs) could be used to
                                circumvent data retention laws. By
                                contrast, our Prime Minister recalls
                                never being that worried about metadata
                                back when he was a journalist in the
                                1980's... at a time that pre-dated
                                widespread internet and mobile phone
                                use.<sup>2</sup> Go figure! <br>
                                <br>
                                <i>References</i> <br>
                                <br>
                                [1] Data retention plan amended for
                                journalists, but is it enough? The
                                Conversation, 20th March 2015. <br>
                                [2] Data retention: Journalists' union
                                labels Tony Abbott's defence of metadata
                                protections 'ludicrous', ABC News,
                                Wednesday 18th March 2015.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <pre>        Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>        Office 1300 133 299     <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>                                Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>        PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pgp.mit.edu">http://pgp.mit.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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/* Matt Perkins 
        Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 
        Office 1300 133 299     <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a> 
                                Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000
        PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pgp.mit.edu">http://pgp.mit.edu</a> 
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