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What we need is Mel Gibson.<br>
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He can get all done up in blue paint, and a sword bigger than he is.<br>
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Mel will lead the public on a charge to parliament house yelling
"You may take our metadata, but you'll never take.. OUR FREEDOM!"<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/03/2015 2:09 PM, Geordie Guy
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<div dir="ltr">Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp
salespeople will meet you all in your respective lobbies this
afternoon.
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<div>G<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM,
Bob Woolley <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:boblobsta@gmail.com" target="_blank">boblobsta@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Ayden,</div>
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+1 to this, a very good point.
<div>I think some providers have already heard this
calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to
their consumers on the topic.</div>
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<div>- Bob W</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 March 2015 at
13:01, Beeson, Ayden <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au"
target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>></span>
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0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Also you guys have the
greatest resource in this fight, your users.<br>
<br>
Has anybody passed on any communication to
your users regarding the potential privacy
impact or cost increases?<br>
<br>
It seems to me the large impact this will have
would warrant a message to users, even if it's
a note on your homepage, a note on the monthly
invoice etc to let them know what's happening.<br>
<br>
I've seen the biker association laws in NSW
and QLD managing to sell themselves as a
violation of freedom to all people, if they
can manage that surely we could as well given
the privacy implications.<br>
<br>
Last time I looked there were concerns this
data could be accessed easily for all kinds of
non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even
in divorce cases and the like), that's the
sort of stuff that users need to be aware of.<br>
<br>
If you educate them, they can fight this
battle for / with you.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Ayden<br>
(Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical
errors or typos may have occurred)<br>
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<div>> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm,
Beeson, Ayden <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au"
target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> I doubt we have seen everything they
have done, but if they have truly done
nothing now then it can't get worse by you
being members, you can't get worse than 0.<br>
><br>
> I don't think they would be attaching
your name onto anything you didn't agree
with...<br>
><br>
> Failing that, why don't you all form
a coalition of small providers and act as
one medium / large member?<br>
><br>
> Only thing I know for sure is that
complaining here isn't stopping the
government, all the very valid discussions
here need to get out of this group to have
any serious impact.<br>
><br>
> As evidenced by that house of reps
image earlier, they don't care, so it's
time to start hammering senators as a
unified group, as it's not going to stop
otherwise and once it's in it'll be really
hard to change anything.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Ayden<br>
> (Sent from a mobile device, some
grammatical errors or typos may have
occurred)<br>
><br>
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom
Berryman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Tom@connectivityit.com.au"
target="_blank">Tom@connectivityit.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>>>> I agree completely, I
think there is plenty of evidence to prove
that divided = conquered and the CA would
be the logical choice here to solve that.<br>
>><br>
>> Really? They have done nothing to
oppose it as of now - you think a few "low
tier" new members can sway their current
position?<br>
>> In a more likely outcome, you'd
provide more mass to their existing
position.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015
1:30 PM<br>
>> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan<br>
>> Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Retention costs letter to Ministers<br>
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>>> So forgive my ignorance, but
what is stopping you smaller guys joining
the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps
you'd be best served by raising that with
them and getting a tier / tiers
implemented that suit your smaller ISP
status, even if it's at a different member
level, at least you'd be "at the table"<br>
>><br>
>>> The difference between you
guys and the onion guys is they have a
single voice that represents them all, I
think you'd be better served trying to
unify your voices rather than looking at
alternative arrangements and fragmenting.<br>
>><br>
>> I agree completely, I think there
is plenty of evidence to prove that
divided = conquered and the CA would be
the logical choice here to solve that.<br>
>><br>
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