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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To be fair, both do have the tendency to bring tears to your eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Stallman<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jake Anderson; Mark Newton; Ross Wheeler<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Difference in scale. Onions don't have Telstras and TPG's.<br><br>They'd be paying the bulk of any industry fees under most measures.<br>And without them in the group there probably isn't much point.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19/03/15 12:59, Jake Anderson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19/03/15 12:43, Mark Newton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>This morning if you were watching ABCnews24 Breakfast, you would have seen the National Onion Growers Association getting nation-wide TV coverage via an interview with their lobbyist in Canberra. They’re smaller businesses than virtually any small ISP. Their entire industry is smaller than the small-ISP industry. They have a national association with a lobbyist in Canberra, and a couple of days ago they had the PM munching down on their product when he was at one of their sites to promote it. You guys don’t. - mark<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>Just to put some numbers to this<br><br><a href="http://www.onionsaustralia.org.au/about-onions-australia/index.htm">http://www.onionsaustralia.org.au/about-onions-australia/index.htm</a><br>there are ~380 onion growers<br>They pay $4 per tonne to the org, (production cost of a tonne is ~$361)<br>gross value of production per annum $181M so they make 501385 tonnes of onions give or take<br>So they are netting $2M to run their industry body.<br><br>How much would you pay per user/some-other-measure for your industry body?<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Nick Stallman<br>Agentpoint Pty Ltd <br>The Real Estate Web Developers<br>Melbourne | Sydney | Miami<br><a href="mailto:nick@agentpoint.com">nick@agentpoint.com</a><br><a href="http://www.agentpoint.com.au">www.agentpoint.com.au</a> | <a href="http://www.zooproperty.com">www.zooproperty.com</a> | <a href="http://www.ginga.com.au">www.ginga.com.au</a> | <a href="http://www.business2.com.au">www.business2.com.au</a><br><br>Business2.com.au is a real estate agent information website that helps you understand Portals, Technology and comes with FREE tools to help your Agency become an online success!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>