<div dir="ltr">That suggests to me that while the larger providers can afford to spread the cost of compliance across many requests (and so only charge $500 for a simple IP-to-details request, or $15k for a 2-year dump), that smaller providers will need to spread the cost over a much smaller set of requests - so perhaps a 'simple' request is going to cost $20k, and a 2-year dump will cost $200k, based on a cost-recovery model?<div><br></div><div>Perhaps that is a good reason to push for a firm threshold of subscribers below which an ISP/hosting provider does not need to worry about recording such data? If it's going to cost an agency 50x the amount to request data from a smaller provider, should they be required to store that data, then it would make sense to not require the smaller providers to bother keeping that data in the first place, and stay with the current 'we-might-or-might-not-have-that' approach ?</div><div><br></div><div>Or it might just be that I like stirring the pot ;)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 March 2015 at 13:52, Matt Perkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div>I don't like the idea of the whole fee per request model. We are a business focused provider. We don't have thousands or home users. As such we get a total of about 1 request every few years. </div><div><br></div><div>At that rate the cost of compliance for us may be thousands or even hundreds of thousands depending on the interpretation of the proposed legislation. With perhaps one or two request every couple of years. We don't even get more then a perhaps 1 or 2 copyright notices a month. We could never pay for the cost of compliance even at $1000 a request. </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Matt</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>/* Matt Perkins</div><div> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd.</div><div> Office 1300 133 299 <a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a></div><div> Fax 1300 133 255 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000</div><div> SIP <a href="mailto:1300137379@sip.spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">1300137379@sip.spectrum.com.au</a></div><div> Google Talk <a href="mailto:MattAPerkins@gmail.com" target="_blank">MattAPerkins@gmail.com</a></div><div> PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at <a href="http://pgp.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu</a></div><div>*/</div></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 18 Mar 2015, at 1:38 pm, Paul Julian <<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I think this approach is spot on, the charge has to be fair and indicative of the effort and resources involved, and we will be taking the same approach.<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Paul<br><br><br><div><span><span title="andrew@rwts.com.au">Andrew Yager</span><span> <<a href="mailto:andrew@rwts.com.au" target="_blank">andrew@rwts.com.au</a>></span></span> , 3/18/2015 1:24 PM:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:2px blue solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi Terry,<div><br></div><div>We are taking the view that this is an exercise that is equivalent of up to 2 hours technical services, and given the costs of verifying and ensuring compliance, our standard cost for a request will be $500 per request.</div><div><br></div><div>For greater time periods (e.g. reporting on two years), our charging rate will extend to $15 000 for this service.</div><div><br></div><div>More complicated requests (such as access logs from a web server) will also attract higher rates.</div><div><br></div><div>I’d encourage everyone to ensure that their costs are reasonable relating to the amount of work - and the opportunity cost associated with complying with this daft legislation.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br><div>
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