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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/03/2015 10:54 AM, Robert Hudson
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      <div dir="ltr">Does this mean that the Comms Alliance is giving up
        and accepting that the metadata retention legislation WILL be
        passed, and that you're just now trying to minimise damage to
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    I don't speak for Comms Alliance, I'm just helping stakeholders work
    together. This list has complained loudly that this subsection of
    the community wasn't being consulted - well, now's your chance to
    contribute. I'm just a matchmaker. If you want to know Comms
    Alliance's motivations Robert - feel free to call John and ask him.<br>
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    Personally, I like to cover all bases. There are three possible
    outcomes for the metadata retention legislation - it will be passed,
    it will be delayed for further changes, it will be blocked.<br>
    If its blocked, then the letter does no harm.<br>
    It its delayed, the letter and combined weight of the industry helps
    make sure that the costs issue - how much, and how it can be
    distributed - is part of the post-match debate.<br>
    If its passed, the letter.........ditto.<br>
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    So preparing and signing the letter doesn't mean anyone is going to
    'give up' trying to stop the legislation. But I dont speak for the
    combined membership of Comms Alliance.<br>
    <br>
    Paul.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 16 March 2015 at 10:47, Paul Brooks
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              <div>Colleagues all - Comms Alliance is preparing a letter
                to be sent to George Brandis and Malcolm Turnbull,
                seeking certainty on the arrangements and amount the
                Government will contribute to the communications
                industry to implement the new data retention
                requirements - to be jointly signed by CEOs of carriers
                and carriage service providers.<br>
                So far the CEOs of most of the largest service providers
                have  agreed to sign.<br>
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                I asked John - and he agreed  - to open this up to ISPs
                that are not members of Comms Alliance.<br>
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                If you are the CEO of an ISP/carrier/CSP please email me
                and I will send you the draft letter and list of CEOs
                currently agreed to sign, and you can then decide if you
                are happy with the wording and would like to add your
                name to the list - or not, no obligation. (I'd post it,
                but there are a lot of non-ISP people on the list, and
                while the letter is draft it should be kept within the
                industry until its finalised).<br>
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                If your CEO is not on this list, please ask them to
                email me or call me on 0414 366 605.<br>
                <br>
                They'd like to finalise it by this afternoon, so please
                respond to me quickly so I can get you the draft.<br>
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                cheers,<br>
                    Paul..<br>
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                On 15/03/2015 10:04 AM, John Stanton wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Paul</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here’s the current draft of
                      the letter and an indication of some of the
                      signatories on board – do you want to post on
                      AusNog on behalf of CA and see if anyone want to
                      join? Time is tight though – need to finalise
                      tomorrow afternoon </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards</span><span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>John Stanton</span></b><span> <br>
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