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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>‘…</span>that I'm happy that….<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.’????<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think you should be happy with anything about the proposed metadata scheme. Less outraged maybe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If these people think you are happy about anything, it is game set and match to them, thank you ball boys.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Yager<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 March 2015 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Effect of Data Retention regime on smaller ISPs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think the point is that in honesty, no one knows what is required because the guidelines are vague. At a general level they are interested in log retention for e-mail and RADIUS. The "encryption" requirement seems new since the original proposal.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The results from the CommsAlliance survey has seemed positive; my understanding is that PWC was overwhelming informed that the cost is much higher to implement for smaller ISPs and that is part of the reason for the senate committee's recommendation for "substantial assistance" for ISPs to implement.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm still not in favour of this dumb dumb legislation, but I guess that I'm happy that I've at least been heard.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5 March 2015 at 09:50, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) <<a href="mailto:rhys@latrobeit.com.au" target="_blank">rhys@latrobeit.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Me too<br><br>I simple 1 page doc that's says "keep this info for two years" would be<br>helpful.<br><br>:-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br>Jeremy Visser<br>Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2015 11:38 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Effect of Data Retention regime on smaller ISPs<br><br>On 3/03/2015 14:30, Justin Clacherty wrote:<br>> Is anyone working for one of the smaller ISPs willing to help us<br>> (Future<br>> Wise) understand how the data retention laws may effect them in<br>> comparison to the larger players?<br><br>As a smaller ISP myself, after having read the guidelines document, I am<br>similarly dumbfounded as to the actual black-and-white technical<br>requirements, given the guidelines contradict themselves.<br><br>I would appreciate some similar guidance.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Andrew Yager, Managing Director</b> <i>(BCompSc, JNCIS-SP, MACS (Snr) CP)</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Real World Technology Solutions - IT People you can trust<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Voice | Data | IT Procurement | Managed IT<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://rwts.com.au" target="_blank">rwts.com.au</a> | 1300 798 718<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.rwts.com.au/email-signature-logo.jpg"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Real World is a Dell Premier Partner</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. 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