<div dir="ltr">But the customer is located within the facility? They're leasing hardware/space/etc from you, so they are your tenant - therefore they are located in the facility?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 March 2015 at 08:26, Nathan Brookfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But you are providing said (hosting/colo/dedi/vds) services in multiple data centres and the actual customer is not located within that facility, I think that
one would be hard pressed to stand behind.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 2 March 2015 6:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Wilkins<span class=""><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you're going to quote the Carriage Service definition from the Telecommunications Act, you also need to note Section 89, the 'same premises' exclusion. This excludes services delivered inside the same building, which reads to me that
provided you're only supplying internet services inside of Datacenters (which most hosting/colo/dedi/vds companies do), you're not providing carriage services, and thus aren't affected by this bill?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2 March 2015 at 02:51, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The fundamental qualifier is whether you provide a 'carriage service', as defined by the Telecommunications Act, 1997. (The Broadcasting Services Act relies on the definition in the Telco Act).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>carriage service</i></b> means a service for carrying communications by means of guided and/or unguided electromagnetic energy.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you provide a service (or resell a service) for the termination of cables or fiber, you're clearly within the scope of the bill.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you don't touch the physical or data link layers, the bill may or may not apply, subject to interpretation and legal argument. It's not clear if a communication at the IP layer is to the opposite IP (which
arguably requires transmission by electromagnetic energy). Then again, IP doesn't deal with electromagnetic radiation, so perhaps not, but I wouldn't think this a strong argument.<br>
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Alternatively, if the communication is viewed as from the IP to the MAC, then the communication is local and there is no transmission via electromagnetic energy (except from what is local to the NIC chipset). Assuming this interpretation, the IP<>IP conversation
would be 'content' of the MAC<>IP communication, and still remains outside the bill.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I've said, the lawyers will have a lot of fun with this. I'm not a lawyer and don't represent myself as a legal expert. If you need informed opinion, consult a legal professional, or ask the advice of the Dep't of Communications, who
administer both the Telco Act, and the Broadcasting Services Act.<u></u><u></u></p>
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