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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Lets make this simple - but if you
      think it *won't* apply to you, you should consult legal advice to
      make sure.<br>
      <br>
      See definition of Carriage Service Provider in the Telco Act, and
      definition of ISP in the Broadcasting Services Act Schedule 5.<br>
      <br>
      If you provide a carriage service to the public (i.e. not your own
      staff), you're a service provider.<br>
      If you arrange for another CSP to provide services to the public,
      you're a service provider<br>
      If you resell or wholesale another CSP's services to sell services
      to the public, you're a service provider.<br>
      if you supply, or propose
      to supply<a
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/bsa1992214/s146b.html#supply"></a>,
      an internet carriage service to the public, you're an <b><i>internet
          service provider </i></b>. <br>
      There is no registration requirement to be considered to be a
      Carriage Service Provider, no license - if you provide services,
      you are a CSP, if you provide access to the Internet, you are an
      ISP, which makes you a service provider, and the new legislation
      applies to you.<br>
      <br>
      There is no size threshold - it applies to the big guys, the
      little guys, the single person operating from a garage with a
      handful of customers.<br>
      <br>
      For pure hosting providers - the Broadcasting Services Act says 'Note:         
      If a company makes internet content available for access on the
      internet, and an individual obtains access to the content using an
      internet carriage service, the company and the individual are
      end-users in relation to the carriage of the content by the
      internet carriage service.'<br>
      ....so you might not be captured, but you should consult legal
      advice on that.<br>
      <br>
      Paul.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 27/02/2015 6:10 PM, Shaun McGuane wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
            Gents,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A
            quick question on this one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
            is the definition of service provider?
            <br>
            <br>
            Is this only a requirement for licensed carriers or does it
            extend through the little guys
            <br>
            in hosting at the end of the food chain?<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Shaun</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
            lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 5:59 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There's 2
            recommendations that go to requirements for storage of
            metadata, which are very much a work in progress:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation
                10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
                Committee recommends that the Explanatory Memorandum to
                the Telecommunications (Interception and Access)
                Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2014 clarify the
                requirements for service providers with regard to the
                retention, de-identification or destruction of data once
                the two year retention period has expired<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation
                  37<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
                  Committee recommends that the Telecommunications
                  (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention)
                  Bill 2014 be amended to require service providers to
                  encrypt telecommunications data that has been retained
                  for the purposes of the mandatory data retention
                  regime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To
                    give effect to this recommendation, the Committee
                    recommends that the Data Retention Implementation
                    Working Group develop an appropriate standard of
                    encryption to be incorporated into regulations</span></b><span
style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">, and
                  that the Communications Access Co-ordinator be
                  required to consider a provider’s compliance with this
                  standard as part of the Data Retention Implementation
                  Plan process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Further,
                  the Communications Access Co-ordinator should be given
                  the
                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">power
                  to authorise other robust security measures in limited
                  circumstances in which technical difficulties prevent
                  encryption from being implemented in existing systems
                  used by service providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 27 February 2015 at 16:46, Paul
              Julian <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
              1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
              6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It
                      has to be encrypted as part of the legislation
                      Kris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                        target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @
                      CloudCentral<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 4:44 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                        target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata
                        Retention<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Don't
                            bother encrypting it, they probably either
                            have the keys (or compel you to provide
                            them) and/or can break the encryption.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<br>
                              Kristoffer Sheather</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
                        align="center"><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                          <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%">
                        </span></div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">:
                            "Phillip Grasso" <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Sent</b>: Friday, February 27, 2015 4:42
                            PM<br>
                            <b>To</b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au"
                              target="_blank">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a><br>
                            <b>Cc</b>: "Peter Lawler" <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au"
                              target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>>,
                            "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                              target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                              target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to
                            Metadata Retention</span><span
                            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">did
                              they specify what kind of storage
                              conditions it needs to be stored under? 
                            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If not
                                do it cheap as possible to keep costs to
                                customers as long as possible; that
                                sounds like jbod or a raid0
                                array[encrypted of course] </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 
                            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Fri,
                                Feb 27, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Kristoffer
                                Sheather @ CloudCentral <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au"
                                  target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>>

                                wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That's
                                  exactly what they should do, isn't the
                                  government supposed to be all about
                                  "transparency" :) ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<br>
                                    Kristoffer Sheather</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">:
                                  "Phillip Grasso" <<a
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                                    target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Sent</b>: Friday, February 27, 2015
                                  4:38 PM<br>
                                  <b>To</b>: "Peter Lawler" <<a
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                                    href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au"
                                    target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>><br>
                                  <b>Cc</b>: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  <b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Welcome
                                  to Metadata Retention</span><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
                                </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">who's
                                        gonna pay for this? any increase
                                        in compliance costs normally end
                                        up costing the customer. 
                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Wouldn't
                                          it be funny if most of the
                                          ISP's put on their bill
                                          notices: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mandatory
                                            Government Metadata
                                            surcharge tax^H^H^H: ~+$2 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 
                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Fri,
                                          Feb 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Peter
                                          Lawler <<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au"
                                            target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>>

                                          wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
                                          27/02/15 13:21, Matt Perkins
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > I have one prediction the
                                          roll out of this is going to
                                          be the biggest<br>
                                          > debacle since pink bats.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Loathed to mention it as it's
                                          arguably OT, but there's a
                                          piece doing the<br>
                                          rounds at the moment about the
                                          cost of the eHealth record
                                          stuff and how<br>
                                          underutilised it has been by
                                          the general population.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          As such, I think you're
                                          missing the relevant debacle
                                          comparator.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Pete. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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