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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Gents,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A quick question on this one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What is the definition of service provider?
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Is this only a requirement for licensed carriers or does it extend through the little guys
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in hosting at the end of the food chain?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There's 2 recommendations that go to requirements for storage of metadata, which are very much a work in progress:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation 10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Committee recommends that the Explanatory Memorandum to the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2014
clarify the requirements for service providers with regard to the retention, de-identification or destruction of data once the two year retention period has expired<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation 37<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Committee recommends that the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2014 be amended to require service providers to encrypt telecommunications
data that has been retained for the purposes of the mandatory data retention regime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To give effect to this recommendation, the Committee recommends that the Data Retention Implementation Working Group develop an appropriate standard of encryption to be incorporated
into regulations</span></b><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">, and that the Communications Access Co-ordinator be required to consider a provider’s compliance with this standard as part of the Data Retention Implementation Plan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Further, the Communications Access Co-ordinator should be given the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">power to authorise other robust security measures in limited circumstances in which technical difficulties prevent encryption from being implemented in existing systems used
by service providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 27 February 2015 at 16:46, Paul Julian <<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It has to be encrypted as part of the legislation Kris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> AusNOG
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 February 2015 4:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Don't bother encrypting it, they probably either have the keys (or compel you to provide them) and/or can break the
encryption.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<br>
Kristoffer Sheather</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">: "Phillip Grasso" <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, February 27, 2015 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "Peter Lawler" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au" target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">did they specify what kind of storage conditions it needs to be stored under?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If not do it cheap as possible to keep costs to customers as long as possible; that sounds like jbod or a raid0 array[encrypted
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral <<a href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That's exactly what they should do, isn't the government supposed to be all about "transparency" :) ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Kristoffer Sheather</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">: "Phillip Grasso" <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, February 27, 2015 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Peter Lawler" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au" target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">who's gonna pay for this? any increase in compliance costs normally end up costing the customer.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Wouldn't it be funny if most of the ISP's put on their bill notices: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mandatory Government Metadata surcharge tax^H^H^H: ~+$2 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Peter Lawler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au" target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On 27/02/15 13:21, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
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> I have one prediction the roll out of this is going to be the biggest<br>
> debacle since pink bats.<br>
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Loathed to mention it as it's arguably OT, but there's a piece doing the<br>
rounds at the moment about the cost of the eHealth record stuff and how<br>
underutilised it has been by the general population.<br>
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As such, I think you're missing the relevant debacle comparator.<br>
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