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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve and Mark, I totally understand your position and nobody is forcing anybody to do it, I’m sorry if that’s how it came across, if somebody is interested and wants to participate then great, otherwise no problems at all </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was just being general in my suggestion that most people on the list would be affected by this, even as a consumer though people will be affected, and also why I suggested to send to anybody else in the industry who may be interested, even any other lists, please feel free to forward it to anybody who it will affect, the more responses it gets the more accurate the data will be I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The link is: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/92BQ7KL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Steve Smalley [mailto:ssmalley@trimblenet.com.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 25 February 2015 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark ZZZ Smith; Paul Julian; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree with Mark, I myself do not work for or represent and ISP, I work for an MSP and use this forum for monitoring potential outages/issues as well as other topical information… some of which I have found highly useful other times… not so much. For this reason I have not completed the survey as I don’t feel I’m an appropriate candidate but certainly can’t speak for anyone else within this forum. I’ve certainly read the draft code and agree with most of the responses collected. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>While the results so far are interesting I’d have to be sceptical as to whether this truly represents the ISP population throughout Australia. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards,<br><br><b>Steve Smalley</b></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark ZZZ Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 25 February 2015 09:09<br><b>To:</b> Paul Julian; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71153"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I'd be careful of assuming it "</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>gauge[s] interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day." Going by the off-topic posts to this list in the last few years, and the number of mailing list subscribers, I doubt the "AusNOG membership" is dominated by people working for ISPs any more.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71156"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71155"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71154"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Paul Julian <<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 25 February 2015, 9:44<br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71162"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv4297531319><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71161"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71160"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71159"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for those who has responded to the basic survey I put together, and also to those who provided some feedback, I think it’s a good thing to throw these sorts of things together and gauge interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71163"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71164"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I know not everybody likes doing these sort of things and fair enough, but I thought it was great way to get some info which was useful and not just hearsay.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71165"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71166"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The survey has been up for a couple of days now and there have been 53 responses so far which is pretty good, it would be great to get 200+ responses to get a real feel for peoples thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71167"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Anyway, basic results so far are as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71180"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=900 style='width:675.0pt;border-collapse:collapse' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71185"><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71222"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='color:white'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71221"><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71219"><span style='color:white'>Yes</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='color:white'>No </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='color:white'>Don't Know</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71183"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71182"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71181"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Have you read the draft code ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>80.77%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>19.23%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>0.00%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71325"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71324"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71323"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you agree with its recommendations ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>3.77%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>90.57%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>5.66%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71188"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71187"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71186"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you feel that this represents your thoughts ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71217"><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>3.77%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>88.68%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>7.55%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71327"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71326"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you feel that it addresses the issue and provides a workable solution ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>5.66%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>84.91%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>9.43%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71191"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71190"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71189"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you agree that an ISP should be responsible for the content that it's users access ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>0.00%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>98.11%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>1.89%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71216"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71215"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71214"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you think that implementing such a notice scheme will cost your business money ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>92.45%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>5.66%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>1.89%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71193"><td width=691 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71192"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71330"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Will you be considering what options you have to circumvent the code if such a scheme is implemented ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=69 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>81.13%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>7.55%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=79 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>11.32%</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71194"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71195"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>There are some pretty strong results in this and I think this mostly reflects the comments from people on this list so far, I am happy to send these results in a submission to the draft scheme once a reasonable amount of people respond and it reflects a decent proportion of our industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71331"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71196"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I am also more than happy to expand or change this survey if people think I am off the mark, so please let me know if you think of anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71213"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>If you haven’t already completed it then it will only take about 30 seconds to do, or pass onto other people in the industry who you feel may be interested in this important subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71212"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks and sorry to spam you if you aren’t interested in this.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71197"><p class=MsoNormal 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