<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71153" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71285">I'd be careful of assuming it "</span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71179">gauge[s] interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day." Going by the off-topic posts to this list in the last few years, and the number of mailing list subscribers, I doubt the "AusNOG membership" is dominated by people working for ISPs any more.</span></div><br> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71156"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71155"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71154"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71223"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71157"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Julian <paul@oxygennetworks.com.au><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 25 February 2015, 9:44<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71162"><br><div id="yiv4297531319"><style><!--
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--></style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71161"><div class="yiv4297531319WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71160"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71159">Thanks for those who has responded to the basic survey I put together, and also to those who provided some feedback, I think it’s a good thing to throw these sorts of things together and gauge interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71163"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71164">I know not everybody likes doing these sort of things and fair enough, but I thought it was great way to get some info which was useful and not just hearsay.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71165"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71166">The survey has been up for a couple of days now and there have been 53 responses so far which is pretty good, it would be great to get 200+ responses to get a real feel for peoples thoughts.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71167"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal">Anyway, basic results so far are as follows:</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71180"> </div><table class="yiv4297531319MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="900" style="width:675.0pt;border-collapse:collapse;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71185"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71184"><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71222"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><b><span style="color:white;"> </span></b></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71221"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71220"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71219"><span style="color:white;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71218">Yes</span></b></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><b><span style="color:white;">No </span></b></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;background:black;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><b><span style="color:white;">Don't Know</span></b></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71183"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71182"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71181"><span style="color:black;">Have you read the draft code ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">80.77%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">19.23%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">0.00%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71325"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71324"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71323"><span style="color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71322">Do you agree with its recommendations ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">3.77%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">90.57%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">5.66%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71188"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71187"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71186"><span style="color:black;">Do you feel that this represents your thoughts ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71217"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">3.77%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">88.68%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">7.55%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71327"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71326"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Do you feel that it addresses the issue and provides a workable solution ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">5.66%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">84.91%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">9.43%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71191"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71190"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71189"><span style="color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71328">Do you agree that an ISP should be responsible for the content that it's users access ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">0.00%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">98.11%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">1.89%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71216"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71215"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71214"><span style="color:black;">Do you think that implementing such a notice scheme will cost your business money ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">92.45%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">5.66%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">1.89%</span></div></td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71193"><td width="691" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:518.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71192"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71330"><span style="color:black;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71329">Will you be considering what options you have to circumvent the code if such a scheme is implemented ?</span></div></td><td width="69" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:52.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:red;">81.13%</span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:46.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">7.55%</span></div></td><td width="79" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:59.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;"><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;">11.32%</span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71194"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71195">There are some pretty strong results in this and I think this mostly reflects the comments from people on this list so far, I am happy to send these results in a submission to the draft scheme once a reasonable amount of people respond and it reflects a decent proportion of our industry.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71331"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71196">I am also more than happy to expand or change this survey if people think I am off the mark, so please let me know if you think of anything.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71213"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal">If you haven’t already completed it then it will only take about 30 seconds to do, or pass onto other people in the industry who you feel may be interested in this important subject.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71212">Thanks and sorry to spam you if you aren’t interested in this.</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71197">Regards</div><div class="yiv4297531319MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424674749084_71198">Paul</div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>