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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">You may have a point there. I just
think the government have a better reason then they want to
appease US rights holders at the expense of popularity in the
electorate. Governments rarely do large unpopular changes for the
fun of it. <br>
<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/02/2015 2:02 pm, Rod Veith wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think you miss the point on how to approach the issue. There
is already an established Australian legal process for
Right’s Holders. The problem is that these large US
companies don’t like it. They want to save themselves money
by changing the existing process. They don’t care that it is
going to cost you money to fix their problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now
why should we roll over and simply acquiesce to their
solution and also be forced to pay for it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 1:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated
warnings for pirates"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<br>
I should not have been so absolute. There is a circumstance
where both meta data retention and this "Pirate Code". Will
not go ahead. It's if Australia withdraws from or modify the
terms of the US/AU FTA. Under the Free Trade Agreement we
need to take all reasonable measures to insure Australian's
follow the law (US LAW) in regard to dealing with the rights
holders. That's up to providing evidence to convict an
Australian in a US court. <br>
<br>
So as long as we keep on with the US/AU FTA we will be doing
this in some form or another. Doing nothing is not making
reasonable efforts. That's not taking into account
eveything we dont know we have agreed to as part of the Five
Eye's . <br>
<br>
Let's get on with working out how to make this as least
painful for us as possible. To my mind that's working with
whomever has taken the initiative to set this up. We are in
a better boat here then data retention. At least someone is
slightly on our side. <br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/02/2015 12:50 pm, Robert Hudson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I disagree that metadata retention is a done deal - the AGD
has tried four times over the last eight years to get it up,
and has not yet succeeded. This is at least partially
because people DO stand against it. If we don't voice our
opposition, then yes, it will get up, and the end result is
pre-determined. That isn't a world I wish to live in.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The same goes here. The government told the related
industries to come up with a voluntary code. Thus far, the
propsal looks very heavily weighted in favour of the "rights
owners", at the detriment to the other involved parties
(ISPs). The Comms Alliance isn't widely representative of
the industry (it may carry customer numbers behind it, but
not operator numbers).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Frankly, I hope this phase fails, that the Comms Alliance
and rights holders fail to agree, and the government has to
step in and create something. Then at least there is a
chance that if what they come up with is as stupid as some
of their other attempted legistlation (metadata, anyone),
they can be shown to be clueless and put in a real position
where toxic legislation results in political fallout.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the Comms Alliance continues to bend over for the
rights-holders, there can be only one winner - and that
winner won't be consumers or carriers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure this sort of response is
helpful in the long run Rod. The facts are that the
Government has done this deal as part of the US/AUS
Free trade agreement. No amount of wishing it away
will make it not so. Even though I might agree that
it's not our problem and it's expense we cant afford.
The deal is done. The horse has bolted. <br>
<br>
All we can do now is try and make suggestions to make
it easier for us to manage the process. But this like
the meta data retention will happen. It's already been
agreed to. We just need to come to terms with that and
move on. <br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/02/2015 10:56 am, Rod Veith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
2 page response has been sent to the Comms
Alliance. I find abhorrent the whole premise that
ISPs have a role to play in copyright enforcement
prior to the issuing of court orders!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Willing
to share and hope to swap responses off list.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Summary
of response: Totally against the scheme.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rod Veith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 8:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Paul Brooks'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to
graduated warnings for pirates"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you for the links.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
are preparing our reply and will send it to the
alliance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our
ISP business has not been approached about this
scheme either before or after this draft was
produced by the Communications Alliance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Brooks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to
graduated warnings for pirates"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Noel
- assume there isn't anyone from CommsAlliance
here to address the concerns - reps from the comms
industry on this working group were Baker and
McKenzie, Telstra, Optus, M2, iiNet, IPStar,
Verizon and VHA.<br>
Many of these concerns were probably raised during
the working committee meetings that brought this
about - but many of them would have been howled
down by the content industry.<br>
The group that put this together had a deadline to
put out a draft code that both sides could at
least live with - if they don't meet the deadline
with a draft that the service providers AND the
content industry can live with, then the
Government was going to 'create' one themselves
and impose it whether you liked it or not - and
most people figured that would be worse. They
still might.<br>
<br>
I agree, these are all really good comments. Now
everyone needs to get them in to Comms Alliance
before the end of the public coment period.
Commenting in here is like a discussion at the
urinal in the pub - satisfying, but doesn't get
the vibe in to the people that are making the
decisions.<br>
<br>
This thing is now in a legislated process, in
accordance with the Telco Act:<br>
* 1 month public comment period to Comms Alliance<br>
* Comms Alliance committee consider all the public
comments and make changes as determined by the
working committee<br>
* if the changes agreed by the committee are big
enough there might need to be another public
comment period - or they might just reach out to
people the comment to run them through the changes<br>
* Comms Alliance presents the draft code to ACMA<br>
* ACMA open up a 2 month (might be 1 month) public
comment period<br>
* ACMA consider comments and suggestions made to
ACMA<br>
* ACMA make it a mandatory code applicable to
every carriage service provider<br>
<br>
Even if its 'I don't agree with this, and I'm not
a member of Comms Alliance, and Comms Alliance
shouldn't be claiming to represent the industry
when it only represents its members and didn't ask
AusNOG', write your comment in to Comms Alliance.<br>
Even better, suggest specific changes to words and
processes. These are required to be addressed by
the committee, to a level that a comment like
'this is screwed up I don't agree' won't be.<br>
<br>
So please please please - everyone, on behalf of
your service provider of employment, or as an
interested individual, follow the public comment
instructions at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment"
target="_blank">http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment</a>
and let the Committee know what changes you would
like to see in and out of this draft code:<o:p></o:p></p>
<h4>Want to submit a comment on a draft document?<o:p></o:p></h4>
<p>You can use the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment/submit-comments"
target="_blank">Submit Comments form</a> to
submit your comments via email or go to the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/contact_us"
target="_blank">Contact Us</a> webpage to obtain
other contact methods such as by post or fax.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">All
submissions received will be made publically
available on the Communications Alliance website
unless the submitter requests otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<h3>Copyright Notice Scheme Industry Code<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/47570/DR-C653-2015.pdf"
target="_blank">DR C653:2015 (709 KB)</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The Copyright Notice Scheme Industry Code
creates a Copyright Notice Scheme through which
residential fixed internet users who are alleged
to have infringed copyright online will receive
an escalating series of infringement notices
designed to change their behaviour and steer
them toward lawful sources of content. The
Scheme has a strong emphasis on public education
and does not contain explicit sanctions against
internet users, but does provide for a
‘facilitated preliminary discovery’ process
through which ISPs can assist Rights Holders who
may decide to take legal action against
persistent infringers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Information on the Working Committee which
revised the Code, including the Terms of
Reference can be found <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Activities/committees-and-groups/wc66"
target="_blank">here.</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD CLOSES AT 5.00
P.M. ON (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country/time"
target="_blank">AEDT</a>) 23 March 2015.</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Please note that all submissions received will
be made publically available on the
Communications Alliance website unless the
submitter requests otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Even if you just cut'n'paste the comments made in
here in the past day.<br>
<br>
All comments are required to be considered by the
committee, and the more people that provide
comments, the more they know the level of feeling
behind it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Paul.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 22/02/2015 2:20 PM, Noel Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Absolutely agree, their intention might be well
meaning, but there is too many holes in it,
perhaps someone from comms alliance here would
like to address these concerns?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>On 22/02/2015 12:37, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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did seem a little one-sided there. It's all
well and fine to say the process on the Rights
Holder side must be certified, but there was
no documented recourse if it should be found
that the Rights Holder was telling furfies.
For example, AFAIAC, should the Rights Holder
be found to be making false allegations, the
ISP should have the right to blacklist them
and never deal with them again. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Seems
like the Account Holder needs some recourse
BEFORE the Final Notice, also. For example,
if the Account Holder is a household with 4
teenagers, AND lots of visiting friends,
well, they have no way to tell who may have
done it, so there needs to be a way to come
back to the ISP and say 'Sorry, this was NOT
me, nor was it someone I can identify, so
please cancel this notice'.<o:p></o:p></p>
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don't like the requirement for the ISP to
send out the Final Notices via registered
post, without there being some way to
recoup that cost. Automated emails are
all well and fine. But once you have to
have someone print, fold, and stuff a
letter, walk to the post office, get a
tracking number, and then come back and
enter that number into a system, that
notice just cost you $30 to send. And
then later when someone needs to audit
that process because there was a failure
in the system (The accounts junior that
walked to the post office mixed up two of
the tracking numbers), that notice then
just cost you another $200+ in developer
time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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to be putting a LOT of cost and
administrative overhead on the ISP's, for
NO benefit to ISP's or the community. All
the benefit is on the Rights Holders.
Perhaps a $10-20 per processed
infringement notice incoming from the
Rights Holders would be a good cost offset
for the effort involved?<o:p></o:p></p>
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