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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">You may have a point there. I just
      think the government have a better reason then they want to
      appease US rights holders at the expense of popularity in the
      electorate. Governments rarely do large unpopular changes for the
      fun of it. <br>
      <br>
      Matt<br>
      <br>
      <br>
        On 23/02/2015 2:02 pm, Rod Veith wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            think you miss the point on how to approach the issue. There
            is already an established Australian legal process for
            Right’s Holders. The problem is that these large US
            companies don’t like it. They want to save themselves money
            by changing the existing process. They don’t care that it is
            going to cost you money to fix their problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now
            why should we roll over and simply acquiesce to their
            solution and also be forced to pay for it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
             <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 1:13 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Robert Hudson<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated
                warnings for pirates"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<br>
             I should not have been so absolute. There is a circumstance
            where both meta data retention and this "Pirate Code". Will
            not go ahead. It's if Australia withdraws from or modify the
            terms of the US/AU FTA.  Under the Free Trade Agreement we
            need to take all reasonable measures to insure Australian's
            follow the law (US LAW) in regard to dealing with the rights
            holders. That's up to providing evidence to convict an
            Australian in a US court.  <br>
            <br>
            So as long as we keep on with the US/AU FTA we will be doing
            this in some form or another. Doing nothing is not making
            reasonable efforts.   That's not taking into account
            eveything we dont know we have agreed to as part of the Five
            Eye's . <br>
            <br>
            Let's get on with working out how to make this as least
            painful for us as possible. To my mind that's working with
            whomever has taken the initiative to set this up.  We are in
            a better boat here then data retention. At least someone is
            slightly on our side. <br>
            <br>
            Matt.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 23/02/2015 12:50 pm, Robert Hudson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p>I disagree that metadata retention is a done deal - the AGD
            has tried four times over the last eight years to get it up,
            and has not yet succeeded. This is at least partially
            because people DO stand against it.  If we don't voice our
            opposition, then yes, it will get up, and the end result is
            pre-determined. That isn't a world I wish to live in.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>The same goes here. The government told the related
            industries to come up with a voluntary code. Thus far, the
            propsal looks very heavily weighted in favour of the "rights
            owners", at the detriment to the other involved parties
            (ISPs). The Comms Alliance isn't widely representative of
            the industry (it may carry customer numbers behind it, but
            not operator numbers).<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Frankly, I hope this phase fails, that the Comms Alliance
            and rights holders fail to agree, and the government has to
            step in and create something. Then at least there is a
            chance that if what they come up with is as stupid as some
            of their other attempted legistlation (metadata, anyone),
            they can be shown to be clueless and put in a real position
            where toxic legislation results in political fallout.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>If the Comms Alliance continues to bend over for the
            rights-holders, there can be only one winner - and that
            winner won't  be consumers or carriers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Not sure this sort of response is
                  helpful in the long run Rod. The facts are that the
                  Government has done this deal as part of the US/AUS
                  Free trade agreement. No amount of wishing it away
                  will make it not so.  Even though I might agree that
                  it's not our problem and it's expense we cant afford.
                  The deal is done. The horse has bolted. <br>
                  <br>
                  All we can do now is try and make suggestions to make
                  it easier for us to manage the process. But this like
                  the meta data retention will happen. It's already been
                  agreed to. We just need to come to terms with that and
                  move on. <br>
                  <br>
                  Matt.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  On 23/02/2015 10:56 am, Rod Veith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
                      2 page response has been sent to the Comms
                      Alliance. I find abhorrent the whole premise that
                      ISPs have a role to play in copyright enforcement
                      prior to the issuing of court orders!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Willing
                      to share and hope to swap responses off list.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Summary
                      of response: Totally against the scheme.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                          lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rod Veith<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 8:50 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> 'Paul Brooks'; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to
                          graduated warnings for pirates"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
                      you for the links.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
                      are preparing our reply and will send it to the
                      alliance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our
                      ISP business has not been approached about this
                      scheme either before or after this draft was
                      produced by the Communications Alliance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                          lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Brooks<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 February 2015 8:14 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to
                          graduated warnings for pirates"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Noel
                      - assume there isn't anyone from CommsAlliance
                      here to address the concerns - reps from the comms
                      industry on this working group were Baker and
                      McKenzie, Telstra, Optus, M2, iiNet, IPStar,
                      Verizon and VHA.<br>
                      Many of these concerns were probably raised during
                      the working committee meetings that brought this
                      about - but many of them would have been howled
                      down by the content industry.<br>
                      The group that put this together had a deadline to
                      put out a draft code that both sides could at
                      least live with - if they don't meet the deadline
                      with a draft that the service providers AND the
                      content industry can live with, then the
                      Government was going to 'create' one themselves
                      and impose it whether you liked it or not - and
                      most people figured that would be worse. They
                      still might.<br>
                      <br>
                      I agree, these are all really good comments. Now
                      everyone needs to get them in to Comms Alliance
                      before the end of the public coment period.
                      Commenting in here is like a discussion at the
                      urinal in the pub - satisfying, but doesn't get
                      the vibe in to the people that are making the
                      decisions.<br>
                      <br>
                      This thing is now in a legislated process, in
                      accordance with the Telco Act:<br>
                      * 1 month public comment period to Comms Alliance<br>
                      * Comms Alliance committee consider all the public
                      comments and make changes as determined by the
                      working committee<br>
                      * if the changes agreed by the committee are big
                      enough there might need to be another public
                      comment period - or they might just reach out to
                      people the comment to run them through the changes<br>
                      * Comms Alliance presents the draft code to ACMA<br>
                      * ACMA open up a 2 month (might be 1 month) public
                      comment period<br>
                      * ACMA consider comments and suggestions made to
                      ACMA<br>
                      * ACMA make it a mandatory code applicable to
                      every carriage service provider<br>
                      <br>
                      Even if its 'I don't agree with this, and I'm not
                      a member of Comms Alliance, and Comms Alliance
                      shouldn't be claiming to represent the industry
                      when it only represents its members and didn't ask
                      AusNOG', write your comment in to Comms Alliance.<br>
                      Even better, suggest specific changes to words and
                      processes. These are required to be addressed by
                      the committee, to a level that a comment like
                      'this is screwed up I don't agree' won't be.<br>
                      <br>
                      So please please please - everyone,  on behalf of
                      your service provider of employment, or as an
                      interested individual, follow the public comment
                      instructions at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment"
                        target="_blank">http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment</a>
                      and let the Committee know what changes you would
                      like to see in and out of this draft code:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <h4>Want to submit a comment on a draft document?<o:p></o:p></h4>
                    <p>You can use the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Documents/public-comment/submit-comments"
                        target="_blank">Submit Comments form</a> to
                      submit your comments via email or go to the <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/contact_us"
                        target="_blank">Contact Us</a> webpage to obtain
                      other contact methods such as by post or fax.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">All
                      submissions received will be made publically
                      available on the Communications Alliance website
                      unless the submitter requests otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <blockquote
                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <h3>Copyright Notice Scheme Industry Code<o:p></o:p></h3>
                      <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/47570/DR-C653-2015.pdf"
                          target="_blank">DR C653:2015 (709 KB)</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p>The Copyright Notice Scheme Industry Code
                        creates a Copyright Notice Scheme through which
                        residential fixed internet users who are alleged
                        to have infringed copyright online will receive
                        an escalating series of infringement notices
                        designed to change their behaviour and steer
                        them toward lawful sources of content. The
                        Scheme has a strong emphasis on public education
                        and does not contain explicit sanctions against
                        internet users, but does provide for a
                        ‘facilitated preliminary discovery’ process
                        through which ISPs can assist Rights Holders who
                        may decide to take legal action against
                        persistent infringers.<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p>Information on the Working Committee which
                        revised the Code, including the Terms of
                        Reference can be found <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.commsalliance.com.au/Activities/committees-and-groups/wc66"
                          target="_blank">here.</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><strong>PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD CLOSES AT 5.00
                          P.M. ON (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country/time"
                            target="_blank">AEDT</a>) 23 March 2015.</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p>Please note that all submissions received will
                        be made publically available on the
                        Communications Alliance website unless the
                        submitter requests otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      Even if you just cut'n'paste the comments made in
                      here in the past day.<br>
                      <br>
                      All comments are required to be considered by the
                      committee, and the more people that provide
                      comments, the more they know the level of feeling
                      behind it.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Paul.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On 22/02/2015 2:20 PM, Noel Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p>Absolutely agree, their intention might be well
                      meaning, but there is too many holes in it,
                      perhaps someone from comms alliance here would
                      like to address these concerns?<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p>On 22/02/2015 12:37, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It
                          did seem a little one-sided there.  It's all
                          well and fine to say the process on the Rights
                          Holder side must be certified, but there was
                          no documented recourse if it should be found
                          that the Rights Holder was telling furfies. 
                          For example, AFAIAC, should the Rights Holder
                          be found to be making false allegations, the
                          ISP should have the right to blacklist them
                          and never deal with them again. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Seems
                            like the Account Holder needs some recourse
                            BEFORE the Final Notice, also.  For example,
                            if the Account Holder is a household with 4
                            teenagers, AND lots of visiting friends,
                            well, they have no way to tell who may have
                            done it, so there needs to be a way to come
                            back to the ISP and say 'Sorry, this was NOT
                            me, nor was it someone I can identify, so
                            please cancel this notice'.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              don't like the requirement for the ISP to
                              send out the Final Notices via registered
                              post, without there being some way to
                              recoup that cost.  Automated emails are
                              all well and fine.  But once you have to
                              have someone print, fold, and stuff a
                              letter, walk to the post office, get a
                              tracking number, and then come back and
                              enter that number into a system, that
                              notice just cost you $30 to send.  And
                              then later when someone needs to audit
                              that process because there was a failure
                              in the system (The accounts junior that
                              walked to the post office mixed up two of
                              the tracking numbers), that notice then
                              just cost you another $200+ in developer
                              time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Seems
                              to be putting a LOT of cost and
                              administrative overhead on the ISP's, for
                              NO benefit to ISP's or the community.  All
                              the benefit is on the Rights Holders. 
                              Perhaps a $10-20 per processed
                              infringement notice incoming from the
                              Rights Holders would be a good cost offset
                              for the effort involved?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <pre>/* Matt Perkins <o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>        Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. <o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>        Office 1300 133 299     <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>                                Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000<o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>        PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pgp.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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        <pre>                                Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000<o:p></o:p></pre>
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        Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 
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