<div dir="ltr">I'm yet to find a company that is ok with "jack of all trades" resume in Melbourne out of the 50+ jobs I've applied for. Apparently showing any sort of interest outside of Network Engineering results in your resume being thrown out. <div><br></div><div>Anyone aware of any jobs that might be lurking around Melbourne? At this stage I'd be willing to answer phones for a NOC.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 February 2015 at 13:25, Cameron Ferdinands <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron@jferdinands.com" target="_blank">cameron@jferdinands.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 I wrote out this long reply but this pretty much.... nail....<br>
head.. Especially about "jack of all trades" fitting into large<br>
networks well, very well. When I look around this is a commonality of<br>
our best people.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Apply for positions at your dream company, even if you think you might not cut it. Many/most of my colleagues never thought they'd get the job, but did.<br>
<br>
</span>Absolutely, what do you have to lose? Worst case you get a job offer<br>
to present to your boss for that raise.<br>
<br>
The other note, virtualization of network equipment has never been<br>
easier, and if you run out of compute there's plenty of that on tap<br>
now (<shameless plug> AWS </shameless plug>) if you want those 400<br>
routers, that's within your reach for less then $50 for a couple of<br>
hours. -- If you have issues getting $50 together for AWS, do let me<br>
know.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 22 February 2015 at 14:02, Ben Buxton <<a href="mailto:bb.ausnog@bb.cactii.net">bb.ausnog@bb.cactii.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I will chime in here, I've interviewed well over a hundred network engineer<br>
> candidates for Google (hi Phil!). Some personal thoughts here...<br>
><br>
> On Sun Feb 22 2015 at 9:14:36 AM Skeeve Stevens<br>
> <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@theispguy.com">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'm seeing a massive amount of foreign application these days (90%) but<br>
>> equally missing relevant experience and the certifications rarely seem to be<br>
>> as 'solid' as locals.<br>
>><br>
>> What strategies are Google/AWS using to find good candidates locally - if<br>
>> you don't mind telling us?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I think I've found your problem.<br>
><br>
> 90+% of the world's network engineers live outside Australia, so it only<br>
> makes sense that you will get a substantial number of applications from<br>
> overseas.<br>
><br>
> My experience tells me the following generalisations (there are exceptions):<br>
><br>
> - Certs are a poor signal that someone may be a good candidate. Candidates<br>
> with and without certs are equally likely to perform well in a technical<br>
> interview and job. All it tells me is that they can memorise and rattle off<br>
> the vendor literature. In fact, I tend to find that those with large cert<br>
> counts are particularly poor candidates as they seem to lack actual<br>
> experience and cant work through oddball real-life problems.<br>
><br>
> - The location of a candidate has no correlation with how good they are.<br>
> There are equally good candidates from around the world. You need to seek<br>
> locally first to get a 457 i think, but there's only 1% of candidates<br>
> locally.<br>
><br>
> - Candidates who have worked in large companies can often have very narrow<br>
> experience due to siloing. They may have just touched the firewalls, or the<br>
> access side, or the peering edge. Whereas often candidates from smallish<br>
> companies/networks often have had to be "jack of all trades" and their<br>
> dealing with knock-on effects across infrastructure mean they can quickly<br>
> become brilliant engineers at large networks.<br>
><br>
> So by excluding (or strongly biasing against) foreign candidates, those<br>
> without certs, and those from smaller companies, you have just gone and<br>
> dropped your pool of quality engineers by 90%. There's your problem.<br>
><br>
> Go and find good engineers by speaking with them about interesting<br>
> engineering challenges rather than first looking for CCIE numbers. And be<br>
> open to global candidates.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Or... what advice would you give to engineers who might be missing in some<br>
>> experience, to help them fill the gaps?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Be curious. Turn on interesting protocols in a lab and fire up<br>
> wireshark/tcpdump on them. Break them in interesting ways (and see what<br>
> tcpdump shows). Write some software to do tedious tasks for you.<br>
><br>
> Dont just memorise the cert cram material. This becomes really obvious to a<br>
> seasoned interviewer.<br>
><br>
> Apply for positions at your dream company, even if you think you might not<br>
> cut it. Many/most of my colleagues never thought they'd get the job, but<br>
> did.<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately it seems you may need certs to get past some resume<br>
> screeners...but you probably wont be happy working for those companies.<br>
><br>
> BB<br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
AusNOG mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>