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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>…&L0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(for those that started their ISP in their garage, and who wanted to get *some sleep. )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am sure some of us can still whistle those tones pitch perfect. Those were days when running an ISP was fun.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Old? What? Who me >>42? That’s not old… :P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>:Darren<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 February 2015 3:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] On Old Hands and Young Uns<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>AT&c1&d1&e0x3s0=1&w<br><br>And the correct term is Getty defs BTW.<br><br>Oh s* im old. <br><br>Matt.<br><br><br>On 13/02/2015 3:42 pm, Mark Dignam wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Old Hand = can remember Dialup modem setup strings.. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Really Old Hand = can remember plugging said strings into Unix getty configs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Hood<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 February 2015 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jacob Gardiner<br><b>Cc:</b> AUSNOG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] On Old Hands and Young Uns</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Seems like it. <o:p></o:p></p><p>What age counts as a young un? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 13/02/2015 3:08 pm, "Jacob Gardiner" <<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Busy Friday, Karl?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>-- <br>Jacob Gardiner<br><a href="https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner" target="_blank">@jacobgardiner</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>On 13 February 2015 at 2:43:15 pm, Karl Auer (<a href="mailto:kauer@biplane.com.au" target="_blank">kauer@biplane.com.au</a>) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There's nothing new under the sun, so no doubt this has been suggested <br>before. <br><br>It seems to me that AusNOG regularly has problems with some "Young Un" <br>not knowing "The Rules", with the inevitable result that a goodly <br>proportion of the "Old Hands" get their knickers in a twist, the "young <br>'uns" get frustrated, the quality of "genteel intercourse" drops with an <br>audible thud, and far too many passive-aggressive "double quotes" get <br>used. <br><br>When someone new bombs into the hitherto placid pool of AusNOG, the <br>splash (and sometimes the scream) is usually pretty audible. It's <br>quickly obvious to all that there's a new face around, a fresh face, one <br>with its eyes on the prize, and not at all on the Ways of AusNOG. <br><br>My suggestion is this. If you are an Old Hand, and you find your nether <br>regions being cramped in unpleasant ways, and upon inspection discover <br>that you knickers are, in fact, twisted, why not contact the offending <br>Young Un off-list and offer your services as a Mentor? You would be <br>doing everyone a favour, including yourself. The nasty, noisy <br>pitter-patter of little feet would stop, the Young Un concerned would <br>get further, faster (and might avoid a few embarrassing and costly <br>mistakes), and AusNOG could remain the pristine place of quiet worship <br>it has always been. You as Mentor would have the satisfaction of helping <br>a lot of people and probably learning a thing or two yourself. <br><br>In due course said Young Un, now trained in the Way of AusNOG, could <br>take his or her place amongst the elite, accrete suitable amounts of <br>crustiness and possibly even (obviously many, many, many years hence) <br>mentor someone in turn, thus paying off their huge karmic debt. <br><br>Just a thought. <br><br>Regards, K. <br><br>PS: If I knew anything I'd mentor someone. <br><br>-- <br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <br>Karl Auer (<a href="mailto:kauer@biplane.com.au" target="_blank">kauer@biplane.com.au</a>) <br><a href="http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer" target="_blank">http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer</a> <br><a href="http://twitter.com/kauer389" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kauer389</a> <br><br>GPG fingerprint: 3C41 82BE A9E7 99A1 B931 5AE7 7638 0147 2C3C 2AC4 <br>Old fingerprint: EC67 61E2 C2F6 EB55 884B E129 072B 0AF0 72AA 9882 <br><br><br>_______________________________________________ <br>AusNOG mailing list <br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a> <br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>/* Matt Perkins <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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