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      Just had a call from Exetel.  Optus have washed their hands of it
      and advised us to terminate the service, they won't respond any
      further to the issue!<br>
      <br>
      Oh well, back to the drawing board!  <br>
      <br>
      It just had me as to what would cause both services to be affected
      at the same time, ie 4/1/2015 at 9:22am both stopped working as
      expected.  <br>
      <br>
      Now my client with be without any service at all for 2 weeks while
      everything gets torn-down and we pop them back on Telstra infra. 
      If he is willing to stay!   Apparently we can't do an in-place
      churn for some reason.  <br>
      <br>
      Cheers for those that had thoughts, but the closed minds won in
      the end!  <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      <br>
      Mal<br>
      <br>
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      <br>
      <br>
      On 19/01/2015 4:31 PM, Scott Wilson wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Mal,
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        <div>Sounds like you've got a couple of different problems. For
          LD, sounds like you've been dumped - the old telstra test
          number to readback LD preselection (12711) might give you some
          insights. I haven't worked for them in a few years, but
          calling the telstra call centre and asking them to reverse
          preselection might do the trick? I'd also keep an eye out for
          the local call provider being changed, there's some real
          cowboys out there who will do all sorts of things to take over
          a service. (source: I used to do tech support for one of
          them...)</div>
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        <div>DSL is probably being delivered via Spectrum Share, and (in
          theory) they shouldn't be connecting you without conducting a
          SQ test first - so failing you retroactively is a bit of
          fuckery. Escalate or set the TIO on them, it's pretty poor
          service to say "oh, you shouldn't have that in the first
          place" while continuing to take your money.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 19 January 2015 at 15:21, TWIG
          Solutions <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:support@twig.com.au" target="_blank">support@twig.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            I guess its all just a different mindset...   I pride myself
            on providing utmost customer support no matter the cost as
            it will come back and reward you later.<br>
            <br>
            But anyway, TIO will be absolute last resort for my client. 
            I was mainly hoping someone here will have a thought as to
            what will cause the issue, my last involvement with any
            Exchange gear was back in AXE days.<br>
            <br>
            So I hoped and ex or current Optus staffie is here and had
            seen the issue before.   Its Optus refusing to investigate,
            not Exetel.<br>
            <br>
            Its a pity as I had hoped to migrate another 2 companies
            owned by this client across, but now I think he is too
            scared!<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Mal
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                <br>
                On 19/01/2015 11:58 AM, Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:<br>
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                  So I'm sure Exetel's services are much cheaper than
                  Telstra's, and now you know how they're achieving
                  that. In an industry with a lot of competition (206
                  ISPs currently in Australia according to Whirlpool),
                  you should always be getting close to what you pay
                  for.<br>
                  <br>
                  Going by some of the stories on Exetel on Whirlpool,
                  it seems their margins are so thin that if you TIO
                  them, they punt you as a customer because you're
                  pretty close to not being profitable for them any
                  more. While I personally don't think that is the right
                  way to handle a customer having trouble with your
                  organisation, I can understand Exetel's point of view
                  - they want to offer really cheap prices, and
                  therefore have slim margins, and the TIO process of
                  dealing with an unhappy customer becomes a significant
                  cost.<br>
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                  ________________________________<br>
                  From: TWIG Solutions <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  Sent: Monday, 19 January 2015, 10:24<br>
                  Subject: [AusNOG] ADSL/Voice issue, Baffled..<br>
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                  Hi All,<br>
                       Hopefully someone out there has had a similar
                  problem,<br>
                               or can advise how best to guide the
                  suppliers as they can't<br>
                               seem to think out-side the box or
                  flow-chart.<br>
                  <br>
                  I had a client churn from Telstra (had been with them
                  for<br>
                               many years all fine and dandy)  to Exetel
                  (Optus Infra) for<br>
                               both Voice and Data (ADSL2).<br>
                  <br>
                  Services worked fine for approx 6 weeks after churn,
                  no<br>
                               issues, client very happy with service
                  speeds etc on the ADSL2.<br>
                  <br>
                  Suddenly, a few weeks ago, the ADSL2 started
                  continually<br>
                               dropping out, and Voice calls could no
                  longer be made to<br>
                               non-local numbers (Long Distance call
                  routing failing).<br>
                  <br>
                  Tickets logged with provider (Exetel) for the issues
                  and the<br>
                               tickets promptly closed, and the reasons
                  given were;<br>
                  <br>
                  1.    Customer chosen Telstra as LD provider, so must
                  get<br>
                               Telstra to sort it (Not the case,
                  Exetel/Optus is the LD<br>
                               provider).<br>
                  2.    Customer is 5Km from Exchange, so tough luck,
                  ADSL2<br>
                               won't work, we will not investigate!<br>
                  <br>
                  Residents up and down the same street all have ADSL2
                  working<br>
                               fine, as did my client, but even that
                  does not explain why<br>
                               suddenly, same day, same time, Voice
                  calls to non-local also<br>
                               don't route.<br>
                  <br>
                  Does anyone know what the issue may be, or come across
                  it<br>
                               before?<br>
                  <br>
                  In my mind, it seems there is NO LD provider in the
                  switch<br>
                               hence any-non-local call fails to be
                  routed.  But why did<br>
                               that interfere with the ADSL?   I
                  remember from my old<br>
                               ARE/ARM days a reload of the switch port
                  data would cure<br>
                               many ills, but they won't even do any
                  investigation!<br>
                  <br>
                  Cheers,<br>
                  <br>
                  Mal<br>
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