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Jarrad, I agree with your policy of getting staff trained up in
other areas to make a better work force. <br>
<br>
I work in a network department in a commonwealth agency. It
frustrates me to no end when I'm trying to explain something as
simple as a VLAN to a senior IT manager(working in other IT areas)
and all I get back is a blank look( that explains government!), if
only they were forced to expand there horizons(sometimes I wonder
how they ever got a job in IT )!. <br>
<br>
As for getting a foot in the door it is can be hard. I had left
school, did a year at TAFE doing electronics full time in 93, then
the real world hit and I had to get a job, not being 'qualified'
according to IT employers at the time. I ended up at Ford motor co
for 11 years on an assembly line. While I was working, I managed to
complete (off campus) a diploma of computer systems, and then made a
start at Uni doing a Bach comp science software dev. A year into my
degree, I managed to get a real IT job in government on the big
coin(sat comm's)!. Several years on now, and I'm now 80% complete
in my degree but have just requested to move over to a new Major
called 'Cloud computing' as real world experience is telling me
where I should be concentrating my study efforts. What looks good
about this course, is that this one is one of the few courses that
integrates CCNA training in with a degree. (now to aim for some RPL
to knock it all over next year!).<br>
<br>
<deakin uni plug><br>
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551.804px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.950841, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">Cloud Computing</div>
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top: 569.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.950058, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">Cloud
Computing is a significant development in the IT industry that </div>
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top: 587.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.943531, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">is
having a major impact on how software solutions are developed, </div>
<div data-canvas-width="419.2965" style="left: 522.835px; top:
605.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.957298, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">deployed, and
delivered over the web. You will undertake a study of </div>
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623.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.944432, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">the concepts and
technologies of cloud computing and acquire the </div>
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top: 641.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.955969, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">necessary
expertise to work effectively in this field, both by exploiting </div>
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top: 659.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.962118, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">public
cloud infrastructure options and through the construction of </div>
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677.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.965923, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">private cloud
infrastructure.</div>
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top: 713.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.935465, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">The
major sequence incorporates the Cisco Certified Networking </div>
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top: 731.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.933131, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">Associate
(CCNA) curriculum that trains you in the skills needed to </div>
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top: 749.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.958873, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">construct
and maintain network infrastructures to effectively support </div>
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767.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.939261, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">organisational
needs.</div>
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top: 803.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scale(0.946759, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">Subject
areas include: cloud computing and virtualisation, computer </div>
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821.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.941032, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">security,
enterprise network construction and management, system </div>
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839.909px; font-size: 15px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scale(0.941305, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px;">security and
research and development in IT.</div>
</deakin uni plug><br>
<br>
Good luck to the OP Rory in your quest..<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Greg.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/12/2014 3:24 AM, Jarrad Mitchell
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>This is the reason I
have every single one of my network engineers learning linux
administration, a
programming language (Python, Ruby, PHP, etc), the concepts
of virtualisation,
an automation tool (puppet, chef, etc) and SDN concepts -
and openly told the
gathering at a recently NOG launch in Asia that any senior
engineer who hasn't
learnt all these things to a decent level by the end of 2015
will no longer be
working for me. Simple as that.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">What kinds of work do you foresee your
engineers doing in a SDN world?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">It seems apparent to me that the ultimate
end of SDN Philosophy is to
reduce Network Hardware to little more than an API for
packet forwarding. Sure, in 2015 we may have an OpenFlow
controller or two, but by 2020 will there be any need to
have any network
controller?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">In a world of Google, Facebook etc,
‘Applications’ are now whole
software stacks whose needs boil down to little more than
APIable
Hardware. The Application of the future
wants to be able to say ‘give me xyz resources, now’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Once this vision has been realised,
exactly what constitutes a Network
Engineer? Because it sure as heck won’t
be someone with an Air Console and some mad programming
skills. The truth of the matter is that networking
decisions will have been made by the Application Guys (in
software) in India or
where ever…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Now, security on the other hand may be an
interesting proposition, but
for instance, if SDN Techniques allow the limiting of
security holes to an
Application (Network User) level, it is quite possible
service provides etc
could simply say ‘hey, you’re application is flawed, deal
with it’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
point is as follows. The end outcome of
any API’d Hardware, no matter by what fancy name we call
it, is that those
involved with the hardware will have their job functions
reduced to moves and
changes. And by that I mean plugging boxes
& cables in. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Remember, the Free Software Foundation
& GNU (the non kernel half of
linux), came about because Richard Stallman couldn’t just
use the University he
inhabited’ s new printer (due to a proprietary driver).
This was what, 1970 something? Plugging in and using
printers no longer
gives rise to whole industries (or requires writing code)…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<br>
<div>
<hr id="stopSpelling">From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a><br>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:21:45 +1100<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ciscoarc7@gmail.com">ciscoarc7@gmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cameron@jferdinands.com">cameron@jferdinands.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in
networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Frankly, I care little for CCIE... but they
have marketing value... from a Cisco partnership
perspective, customers like them and employees like you
paying to get them there. Also, helping an engineer get
through the journey is far better than hiring a paper one.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, I firmly believe that knowledge of networking is
80% of the effort of a CCIE (or similar)... and that most
CCIE's should be able to get a JNCIE or other similar
levels in a short time (in the same vertical such as
R&S) with focusing on that vendors particular nuances
and terminology.... and I've seen it happen multiple times
now.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cisco has one of the best baseline network training
programmes out there. Any faults in the education is the
people learning it, not the knowledge itself. I recommend
most engineers who are even going to specialise in
non-Cisco, to do the base Cisco CCNA first. Juniper also
has one of the best education programmes out there, but
mostly for beyond the basics.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also disagree that engineers will always be needed to
do the BGP and OSPF and many other things that automation
and programming won't easily be able to do. The best
example is the programming world where most programmers
use Frameworks to accomplish tasks they previously had to
code manually.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How hard would (is it?) really be to write a platform
where you could:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>create bgp AS12345 called UPSTREAM_A;</div>
<div>link to neighbour AS4567 over path linkgroup LINK_A
using auto comms and preprend:localpref as needed to keep
link at 50% load;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Codification of anything is possible if you have the
will. This is what object programming is all about....
and SDN is the future in these kinds of networks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is the reason I have every single one of my
network engineers learning linux administration, a
programming language (Python, Ruby, PHP, etc), the
concepts of virtualisation, an automation tool (puppet,
chef, etc) and SDN concepts - and openly told the
gathering at a recently NOG launch in Asia that any senior
engineer who hasn't learnt all these things to a decent
level by the end of 2015 will no longer be working for me.
Simple as that.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Vendors have done a good job of keeping engineers away
from the underlying operating system for a long time...
Cisco IOS now runs on Linux, Junos is BSD, Arista EOS is a
Linux kernel with Fedora Userland... and most of the
others are the same. Cisco Network Engineers (for the
most part) have avoided learning TCL/EEM scripting and
most other vendor specialists have done (not) much of the
same.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The world is a changing place... and 2015-2016 is going
to be a wakeup for Carrier, Service Provider engineers,
with enterprise following along the tail end and into
2017. This is life people... The Cloud, Fabrics, SDN-like
networking is going to change everything... wait for
Software Defined Security... :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Next year Enterprise networks are going to start
adopting Virtual Cross-Connect Fabrics and learn the art
of on-Demand elastic infrastructure. Any Carriers/ISPs
who don't embrace what is coming will die in the next 24
months, especially as the tech filters down the consumers
who will insist on EoD (everything on demand).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Networking has been boring for 10 years... change is
now upon us... strap yourself in for a couple of fun
years.</div>
<div>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;">Skeeve
Stevens - </b><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;">eintellego
Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 23 December 2014 at
23:29, Andy S. <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ciscoarc7@gmail.com" target="_blank">ciscoarc7@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Agreed.</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">I
doubt Openflow can troubleshoot or even roll out
medium enterprise BGP or OSPF automatically
without a need of an engineer (who knows these
routing protocols, defo).</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Interestingly,
Skeeve, I slightly remember you posted a Network
Engineer role with a promise to help them get
their CCIE. So if your personal view is that of
even CCIE is not worth not much in the next 5
years, how is helping them get their CCIE
provide any benefit for your company?</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Obviously
I am not having a go at you, just out of
curiosity.</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Regards,</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Andy</div>
</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014
at 10:48 PM, Colin Stubbs <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:colin.stubbs@equatetechnologies.com.au"
target="_blank">colin.stubbs@equatetechnologies.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<p dir="ltr">Pffft.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Provided they add that knowledge
to their pool they'll be fine. Understanding
Ethernet and STP, along with routing
protocols and label switching, will still be
critical. </p>
<p dir="ltr">What value will an OpenFlow
"expert" be if they don't understand what's
happening on top of the underlay network?
Answer: not much.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What good is a network engineer,
right now, that doesn't understand HTTP and
HTTPS? Answer: not much.<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from a mobile device.
Correct spelling and accurate use of grammar
is unlikely to have occurred.</p>
<div>
<div>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 23/12/2014
10:35 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com"
target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">What will a
Cisco./Juniper/etc engineer be worth
in 5 years with technologies like
OpenFlow, Cumulus Linux and many
others yet to come.... not much in
my opinion.</div>
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...Skeeve</div>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;">Skeeve
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri;">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 23
December 2014 at 17:56, Graeme
Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gallen@mytelecom.com.au"
target="_blank">gallen@mytelecom.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>At one time they used the
word "Legacy" as a weapon
against Nortel, Lucent, et al.
The thing about empires is
they rarely learn from
history. What's a Novell
certified engineer worth these
days?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On
23 December 2014 20:48:42
GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ciscoarc7@gmail.com"
target="_blank">ciscoarc7@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">I
think they have
revamped their CCIE
now (version 5) which
I am gunning (slowly)
towards. </div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">One
of their bigger change
is replacing Frame
Relay with DMVPN. Also
it is now virtualised
and I read it
somewhere according to
Cisco, it enables them
to do 20-ish routers
(always changing)
topology and can make
it more to
"real-world". </div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">This
hopefully enough to
iron out those
textbook CCIEs. </div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">I
just remember one of
my mate told a story
about one particular
CCIE doing "switchport
trunk allowed vlan
xxx" instead of
"switchport trunk
allowed vlan add xxx"
and caused an outage.
Companies losing money
(according to him.
It's a stock trading
company). Though it's
weird they needed more
time to address where
the issue was. </div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Regards,</div>
<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;">Andy</div>
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<div
class="ecxgmail_quote">On
Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at
6:55 PM, Michael
Wheeler <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael@michael-wheeler.org" target="_blank">michael@michael-wheeler.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hopefully
their exam
simulation stuff
improves. Twice
now I've done an
exam and you do
something slightly
unexpected that's
not covered by the
text book (but
would satisfy the
question
requirements) and
the simulation
completely breaks.
And not in the
since of the
network stops
working, the
actual simulation
software does
things that just
repeats the same
command over and
over again without
letting you enter
in any input.
Naturally the exam
moderator where I
do my exams
doesn't even know
how a router is
meant to react nor
knows how to tell
Cisco that their
sim is faulty so I
get a failed exam
and down a bunch
of my own money.
In the end I just
rote memorized the
solution off some
website command
for command so
that the friggin
sim wouldn't
crash. Yes I feel
dirty doing it
that way which is
why after that
cert I haven't
done any exams
(even though I
covered the
material).
<div><br>
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<div>Interested to
see the future
of
network/communications
qualifications...</div>
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class="ecxgmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="ecxgmail_quote">On
23 December
2014 at 17:12,
Beeson, Ayden
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au" target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-AU">
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">On
the topic,
Cisco have
identified
textbook
CCIE’s as an
issue, they
are in the
process of
redoing all
their
certification
tests to
better align
with real
world skills,
with a lot
more
simulations
and lab tests
and a lot less
multiple
choice etc.</span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">I
know the CCNP
TSHOOT exam
has been
redone as all
simulation
situations
with real
equipment
configurations
etc, I know
CCNP SWITCH
and ROUTE were
pending the
changeover
when I last
did any of
them (a year
ago roughly)</span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">I
think it’s a
very good idea
and I’m glad
that it is
happening,
certifications
are not worth
a lot if you
can hold one
without
actually
understanding
what you have
learnt….</span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333;">Ayden
Beeson<i> </i></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"></span></p>
<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US">
AusNOG
[mailto:<a
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Cameron
Ferdinands<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, 23
December 2014
6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Skeeve Stevens<span><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
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target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [AusNOG]
Work
experience in
networking/telecoms/DCs?
Getting my
foot in the
door?</span></span></p>
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<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">That's
my one of my
favourite
interview
questions.</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">"Whats
your favourite
routing
protocol?"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">There
only wrong
answer is
reading a line
from a
textbook, if
you love RIP
tell me why
you love RIP!
What's good
about it?
What's bad
about
it?</p>
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<p
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23 December
2014 at 08:58,
Skeeve Stevens
<<a
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<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">Yup..
had about a
dozen last
year. And
then even if
they do have
good
theoretical
knowledge, the
other thing
missing is
experience,
common sense
and product
knowledge.
Being a
CCIE/NP and
not being able
to recommend a
switch model
is annoying
(for me).</p>
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...Skeeve</p>
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23 December
2014 at 08:54,
Peter
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<p
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think we've
all being in
that interview
(or heard
second hand )
with
a textbook
CCIE and when
pressed can't
seem to
explain the
simple things.</p>
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<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">experience
is where it's
at.</p>
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<p
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Tue, Dec 23,
2014 at 7:22
AM, Scott
Weeks <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com" target="_blank">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>>
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--- <a
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wrote:<br>
From: Alex
Samad -
Yieldbroker
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<br>
Then I would
have a look at
real work
experience,<br>
not
certification
boot camps..<br>
----------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
<br>
I wish more
folks did this
instead of
starting off<br>
interviews
with
cert-style
questions,
which seem to<br>
only test rote
memorization
skills.<br>
<br>
scott<br>
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