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    Doesn't ASIO report to the US overlords so anything in Australia
    belongs to the US anyway? :P<br>
    <br>
    For our servers (Databases + Files) we use duplicity to do
    incremental backups straight to Amazon S3 in Sydney.<br>
    That ticks the off site box but doesn't cover off line which isn't a
    priority for us.<br>
    <br>
    We only keep daily backups for 2 months so we don't use Glacier but
    we could reasonably easily if we wanted to.<br>
    Glacier is tape storage (hence the retrieval delays/limits and
    price) so clearly AWS still thinks its a player.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/11/14 15:50, Jacob Gardiner
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CALS0sQEsStM48C9HhZM_PArPRefjQ+jaLZfL5xq57_1Vgc02wA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and still
      subject to the patriot act even when operating outside the U.S.  <span></span><br>
      <br>
      On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a
        moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
      wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Where
                do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws
                come in to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can
                you make the data stay only in Australia?</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                      lang="EN-US"> Barry Murphy [mailto:<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','barry@vibecommunications.co.nz');"
                        target="_blank">barry@vibecommunications.co.nz</a>]
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter
                      Tiggerdine<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
                        target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sounds
                        like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or
                        something similar?</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Amazon
                        allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in
                        their cloud and you can set it to have 7 tapes
                        and rotate them daily etc.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">See <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway"
                          target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway</a>/</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">You
                        can then have backups older than X days go into
                        glacier rather than the more expensive S3 if you
                        wanted.</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p>
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                              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#7f7f7f">Kind
                              regards,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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                            style="line-height:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Barry
                                Murphy</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> / </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#ff9e01">Chief

                                Operating Officer</span></b><span
                              style="color:black"></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
                    </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Alex
                    Samad - Yieldbroker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');"
                      target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm<br>
                    <b>To: </b>Peter Tiggerdine <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');"
                      target="_blank">ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
                      target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
                      target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My
                      current investigation is small amount of data ~
                      10-20G of core data.</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We
                      are happy with our current backup regime but we
                      don’t account for malicious loss of data. IE all
                      the backups are available on the network somebody
                      can delete everything online.  Offsite gives you
                      protection from that.</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Currently
                      the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are
                      looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage /
                      drive / tapes.  I could also but some external
                      HD’s, write to them over nite and then ship them
                      off during the day. With the cost of SSD and their
                      size coming down that’s even more attractive.</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What
                      I would really like is some virtual tape library
                      available over Mega Port, where somebody else
                      looks after tape management or virtual tapes, as
                      long as I need some process which includes
                      authorisation to bring the tapes back on line. 
                      But at the right price
                    </span><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex</span><span
                      style="color:black"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
                              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
                            lang="EN-US"> Peter Tiggerdine [<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');"
                              target="_blank">mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>]
                            <br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014
                            2:57 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
                              target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span><span
                            style="color:black"></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Pundits
                          have being declaring this for 20 years and it
                          still hasn't happened.</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tape
                            has it's place as does D2D backup.</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The
                            answer to your question is "it depends" on "</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Organisation
                            size and maturity.</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">DR
                            Plan</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Backup/Recovery
                            Plan</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Budget</span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On
                            Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad -
                            Yieldbroker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');"
                              target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
                            wrote:</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi<br>
                            <br>
                            Wondering what people are doing for offsite
                            store / backups. Looking at <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out"
                              target="_blank">
http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out</a>
                            LTO tapes sales are down.  People are
                            backing up to disk.<br>
                            <br>
                            But what are people doing for offsite. 
                            Removable HDs ?<br>
                            <br>
                            Alex<br>
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